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CCW Passes the Senate!!

MKEgal

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CalicoJack10 said:
while it is a step forward, it is not a complete win. It is just a step in the right direction. There is still a lot of fight left.
Agreed. I think we can celebrate the victory while still knowing that there's more to do.

Captain Nemo said:
I think we can live with it until we finally get true constitutional carry in the future. There is encouragement form Galloway that she isn't through with that pursuit.
Remember, Article I Section 25 does not differentiate between open carry and concealed carry only the legislature and supreme court do. Nor does the amendment contain the prase "subject to reasonable regulation".
Galloway is great!
And I think you're right about the potential for a legal challenge, whether in court or "simply" via the legislative process, based on the differences between A1S25 (RKBA) & A1S26 (hunting).
 

protias

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Galloway is great!
And I think you're right about the potential for a legal challenge, whether in court or "simply" via the legislative process, based on the differences between A1S25 (RKBA) & A1S26 (hunting).
Well, hunting as a right is covered completely under A1S25, so it would be interesting to see.
 

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YEA! HIP HIP HURRAH! Looks like the P.P.A. will finally become law, The old bone of the Old Guard and N.R.A. can finally be buried they no longer have a fight over what had been lost X 3. There is a porterhouse out there that we have been waving right in front of them perhaps now they will see it.

I remember the first time I open carried in public, The true freedom that I felt , I'm torn between giving up that feeling forever never to be regained or succumb to the permit because of the school zone transport without a permit, Now if your vehicle becomes part of being your castle and don't have to do the dance. Oh well.



I plan on continuing to open carry as I always have and get the permit as to not worry about driving through a school zone. I think the uncased loaded vehicle carry (the dance) will be my most welcomed change 3 MONTHS FROM NOW....

Oh yea, I suppose with the permit, it would be nice not to have to worry about a shirt or jacket momentarily covering up my firearm... and then there is the next winter season...carry and cover with winter coat.....

Outdoorsman1
 

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Congratulations on a step in the right direction, Wisconsin!

While I am not pleased about any "permit" to exercise a right, those of you complaining about a training requirement might want to think about it a little longer before griping as loud and as long as possible.

While the training requirement is a little bit of a pain in the ass, you seem to be missing a major benifit: reciprocity.

Having a CCW in Wisconsin might be the entire focus.....but what if that CCW is only recognized in Wisconsin? As a Missouri CCW holder, it is pretty nice to be able to travel to more states armed than any other recognized CCW. I don't have to think "Can I carry there?" whenever I leave the state, because other than PRIL next door (and currently Wisconsin), New York, New Jersey, California, and one or two other states I have no desire to enter are the only ones with no reciprocity with Missouri.

Many states look at training requirements when it comes time to consider recognizing your state's CCW permit. The bonus you folks in WI are overlooking is, with that requirement (as unconstitutional as having to pass a test for a right is) you'll be able to carry in a majority of states rather than only a few that might not even be near yours, as other states that are on the fence about recognizing a future WI CCW will most likely grant it when they see the training requirement.
 
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protias

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Congratulations on a step in the right direction, Wisconsin!

While I am not pleased about any "permit" to exercise a right, those of you complaining about a training requirement might want to think about it a little longer before griping as loud and as long as possible.

While the training requirement is a little bit of a pain in the ass, you seem to be missing a major benifit: reciprocity.

Having a CCW in Wisconsin might be the entire focus.....but what if that CCW is only recognized in Wisconsin? As a Missouri CCW holder, it is pretty nice to be able to travel to more states armed than any other recognized CCW. I don't have to think "Can I carry there?" whenever I leave the state, because other than PRIL next door (and currently Wisconsin), New York, New Jersey, California, and one or two other states I have no desire to enter are the only ones with no reciprocity with Missouri.

Many states look at training requirements when it comes time to consider recognizing your state's CCW permit. The bonus you folks in WI are overlooking is, with that requirement (as unconstitutional as having to pass a test for a right is) you'll be able to carry in a majority of states rather than only a few that might not even be near yours, as other states that are on the fence about recognizing a future WI CCW will most likely grant it when they see the training requirement.
A UT non-resident permit suits me for most of my journey's. Very rarely do I even need to leave the state in a given year. I can only speak for myself, but I know of many people who spend more than 300 days a year inside the border of WI in a given year. Not to mention, if we could have gone to Constitutional Carry immediately, you do realize how many states would have pushed for it and used us an an example right?
 

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While the training requirement is a little bit of a pain in the ass, you seem to be missing a major benifit: reciprocity.

The permit should be optional then. Some people put such emphasis on reciprocity. I've seen some people looking like they'd be more than happy to throw everyone's including theirs rights under the bus just so they aren't inconvenienced when driving over a state line.

I shouldn't have to buy a permit and be in a database and jump through whatever bs hoops just so I qualify to have jumped through bs hoops in other states with similarly-crappy laws.

This bill is a big step, and a good step, and the future will hopefully bring with it the rights people should already have that shall not be infringed, but it sure is hard to be glad about paying another tax and being put in another database just so I can more easily carry in other states that have similar bs taxes and databases.
 

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While I am not pleased about any "permit" to exercise a right, those of you complaining about a training requirement might want to think about it a little longer before griping as loud and as long as possible.

I did think about it for months if not years, I still don't like it

While the training requirement is a little bit of a pain in the ass, you seem to be missing a major benifit: reciprocity.

I don't care about reciprocity, I spend very little time out of state.

Having a CCW in Wisconsin might be the entire focus.....but what if that CCW is only recognized in Wisconsin? As a Missouri CCW holder, it is pretty nice to be able to travel to more states armed than any other recognized CCW. I don't have to think "Can I carry there?" whenever I leave the state, because other than PRIL next door (and currently Wisconsin), New York, New Jersey, California, and one or two other states I have no desire to enter are the only ones with no reciprocity with Missouri.

Many states look at training requirements when it comes time to consider recognizing your state's CCW permit. The bonus you folks in WI are overlooking is, with that requirement (as unconstitutional as having to pass a test for a right is) you'll be able to carry in a majority of states rather than only a few that might not even be near yours, as other states that are on the fence about recognizing a future WI CCW will most likely grant it when they see the training requirement.

Like I said, I don't care about what other states do, I want the freedom enumerated in both my state and federal constitutions.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you get?
 

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I have posted separately to my CFP class. And, once the Bill becomes law, I can travel back to WI and conduct the NRA Pistol course (again at dirt cheap fees for members of WI Carry).

You know, it is rather insulting that you find it necessary to step on the toes of other instructors so that you can inflate your ego and pocketbook. Offering the chance to "Get a Permit" is against everything that teaching firearms is about. The idea that you are looking to address this in the form of a basic course that barely gives someone the knowledge that they will need to use a gun, much less defend themselves, just shows this fact.

I personally am tired of hearing how great you are because you have a certification or 2. Not to mention I am tired of hearing about how you will do this for Low Low Prices. You sound like a Bender. Running back to Wisconsin every time there is a chance to make a few extra bucks and then getting on the forums and pushing your courses is an insult to the people here too. It shows that there is a complete lack of care for their future, families, or well being, because you are making the loot and half-azzing the things that they should learn.

You should be coming back here and offering a course that will cover the things that people need to make sure they survive. Not a course that teaches them basic marksmanship and what a gun is and how to clean it. Doing that is nothing more than just giving people a false sense of security and playing games with people's lives so that you can make a few extra bucks. Get off your high horse, stop playing super instructor, and do something that lends itself to the survivability of those that you pretend to give a $hit about.

People's lives are not something to play games with. Nor are they something to make a few extra bucks on. We have discussed more than the NRA basic pistol on this forum, and I am willing to bet that anyone who has seen this knows a lot more about self defense than just what is covered in the basic pistol course.

Carrying a firearm is not about knowing how to use it, it is about knowing what to do if you have to use it. And if you don't know they difference, you shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

Edit: This was not written out of anger, it was written to make a point. And I have to put this edit in here because people get their feelings hurt too easy on this forum and I don't want to have to deal with any crying from anyone who might or might not take offence to the reality of the situation. My point is "Put up, or Shut up!"

Edit 2: I am happy that we moved forward, but it is still not what I am looking for. I refuse to let these politicians give me something to get me to shut up and then forget my purpose. And now more than ever is the time to show that we are responsible firearms owners, and can safely do what we set out to do in the first place. If we screw this up we can loose a lot more than we had when we started this fight. As well as being a reason for the nation's Anti-Gunners to try and take away rights in every state. This is definately not the time to do the bare minimum and hope that it will be good enough. We have to do what nobody expects us to do and go above and beyond what little they think of us.

Also:

As I am a man of my word, I will start teaching complete concealed carry courses for FREE (like I said I would do if we passed SB93). I will have the lesson plan written up within the next 2 weeks, and the couses will be taught in the same format as my free open carry course. It is not an easy course, and there is the potential for failure. But I give my guaranty that when you are done, you will have the knowledge you need to carry responsibly.
 
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The Assembly will be under pressure from the senate, the Governor & their constuents to pass SB93 like it is currently. I expect it to pass the Assembly in it's current state. Then we will get our Permits to carry concealed by late October / Early November..

Not quite that soon. The bill says it will take effect on the 1st day of the 4th month after publication. Once it does take effect, for the first month, they have 45 days to issue a permit. Afterwards it reverts back to 21 days. I doubt that publication will take place by the end of June. That'd push the "start" date from Oct 1st to Nov. 1st. We will start seeing permits arriving in mailboxes by mid December.
 

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Anyone know where to look for info on how long it took those 3 states to get CC?

As for reciprocity, as it stands now WI will recognize every permit.
That could change.
What annoys me is that on the effective date of the law, out-of-state residents will be able to carry concealed, but WI residents have to wait for their permits.
Seems lopsided.

AZ went from "no issue" to "shall issue" in 1994, and then to CC in 2010. AK went from "no issue" to "shall issue" in 1994, and then to CC in 2003. WY went from "may issue" to "shall issue" in 1994, and then to CC (though for residents only) in 2011. VT has always had CC. It was in the early 1900's when they tried to restrict it, but the courts overturned it.
 

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Not quite that soon. The bill says it will take effect on the 1st day of the 4th month after publication. Once it does take effect, for the first month, they have 45 days to issue a permit. Afterwards it reverts back to 21 days. I doubt that publication will take place by the end of June. That'd push the "start" date from Oct 1st to Nov. 1st. We will start seeing permits arriving in mailboxes by mid December.

Unless the Assembly passes SB93-SSA2 (as amended) and gets it to the governor and then to the Secretary of State, by tomorrow - June is out - LaFollette has established a policy of setting the publication date as far off (10 working days after enactment) as possible.

The application form and form of the license have to be done and available no later than September 1st (assuming a July publication date). This does not mean that it could not be completed before then. Once this is accomplished, applications can be made. The 45 day rule is in effect from the first day of application until November 30th. Effective December 1st the standard is 21 days. This means that any application submitted on November 7th could take longer than one submitted on December 1st. This anomaly would continue until December 24th. An application submitted on that day (assuming the office would be open) would have a due date of January 14th - the same as an application submitted on November 30th.
 
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