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Americans take down gun man on French train.

davidmcbeth

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Doubt that Spencer Stone wanted any of this to happen.

Box cutters can be a formidable weapon - Spencer nearly had his thumb severed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stab-wounds-emerges-hospital-humble-wave.html

Teacher was murdered by a 14 yo with a box cutter:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/24/math-teacher-box-cutter-death/3177855/

Box cutters were used in the 9/11 airplane hijackings - don't think that needs a cite.

Even with box cutters, the 9/11 hijackings were not all successful - ones that wanted to re-take control did (or at least thwarted the attempt)..who knows what happened on the other flights.

From my experience, a loss of a thumb does not lower combat effectiveness ~ it just pisses the guy off. Hey, my thumb is at 80% full use today after it was cut off ! So, talking from my experiences.

A kill with a box cutter is a fluke IMO.

I have cut myself many times with box cutters by accident (cut away from you you say? LOL)

Spencer is a typical airman. Pity he serves under Obummer - he does not deserve his service.
 

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Even with box cutters, the 9/11 hijackings were not all successful - ones that wanted to re-take control did (or at least thwarted the attempt)..who knows what happened on the other flights.

From my experience, a loss of a thumb does not lower combat effectiveness ~ it just pisses the guy off. Hey, my thumb is at 80% full use today after it was cut off ! So, talking from my experiences.

A kill with a box cutter is a fluke IMO.

I have cut myself many times with box cutters by accident (cut away from you you say? LOL)

Spencer is a typical airman. Pity he serves under Obummer - he does not deserve his service.

Accidentally cutting yourself is hardly the same as being cut by someone intending you harm.

Loss of prehensile ability is not just a temporary inconvenience, particularly when involved in a fight. Many disabling cuts are quite shallow (involving tendons, arterial blood - think fingers, wrist, neck, back of knee). I am a student/practitioner of Kali - I assure you the result intended will not simply PO the recipient. The technique can be quite deadly and is no fluke.

The hijacked 9/11 flights did not land safely w/no to little loss of life - to that degree the hijackers succeeded. The impacts on the Twin Towers were devastatingly so.
 

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I'm wondering why a citizen would accept an award for heroism from a government.

"Dear Minister of Decorations,

I utterly reject your offer of an award for heroism. In fact, I'm rather angry at your ilk for setting in motion the chain of events that led to the extreme risk to my life and others. I am referring to your imperialism games.

Quit cluttering up my voice-mail.

Sincerely,

John Doe"

Yet again, for the leading anarchist whose only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Really, Citizen, sometimes you need to give it a rest. "Government" did not "set in motion" the chain of events that led to the extreme risk of life in this case. That was done by non-government ideologies that are (depending on whose opinion you believe) either a rare and radical form of a particular religion, or a fundamental problem with the mainstream beliefs of that religion.

Not being legally disarmed improves our ability to respond to such threats, but doesn't guarantee such threats won't be present. Notably, terrorists in Israel switched from attacks with guns to attacks with explosives, including explosive (suicide) vests when Israel increased the number of armed persons in various venues.

A nut case was not forced to attempt mass murder aboard a French high speed train because of anything the French or any other government did. To claim otherwise is to at least partially absolve the terrorist of responsibility for his intent and conduct.

Governments (like EVERY other human organization) are not perfect. There are legitimate complaints to be made against them. But when you post this kind of tripe, you make yourself the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" in that even your otherwise legitimate complaints get watered down.

You object to governments recognizing the meritorious conduct of the young men who stopped this attack. I will await to see how many private entities bother to recognize their conduct as desirable among decent men; let alone how many anarchist organizations (and there is a paradox) do likewise.

Sometimes you just need to give the anarchy thing a rest and remain silent if you can't find something constructive to contribute.

Charles
 

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Part one: I say again.......

This is what civilians get:
The Secretary of the Army Award for Valor was established 15 April 2002, to acknowledge acts of heroism or bravery connected with an Army employee or Army activity, or that is some way benefits the Army. The performance of the act must be evidenced by voluntary action above and beyond the call of duty. The equivalent military decoration for this award is the Soldier's Medal.

One man was a US Army National Guardsman, enlisted.
One was a US Air Force enlisted.
One was a Civilian.

The Air Force equivalent of the Soldiers Medal is below.

The Airman’s Medal is a military decoration of the United States Air Force and is awarded to those service members or those of a friendly nation who, while serving in any capacity with the United States Air Force, distinguish themselves by heroic actions, usually at the voluntary risk of life, but not involving actual combat. The saving of a life or the success of the voluntary heroic act is not essential.
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The medal is to acknowledge acts of heroism or bravery
(1) connected with an Army employee
(2) Army activity
(3) that is some way benefits the Army.

I'll say it again - What does the actions of these three men have to do with the army?
Yes, the two service men will receive military medals. I have no problem with that. However, their actions were not in the line of duty.
All three men's actions were a result of their upbringing and their morals.
I hope someone in this country steps up to the plate and recognizes the civilian hero. And you know who I mean.
Enough said...
 

Grapeshot

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There are persons who object and rant against any form of controls or moderation.........unless they initiate it. Jus' sayin'
 

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France, and the French, hold a different view of these brave four men. Most of the US media is reporting to each other.

My question: Could they refuse the attention, did the refuse initially? Or, do the employers of the two service men hold significant influence to the contrary.

Well done to them. Their actions speak more to our (USA) rugged individualism that has, unfortunately, been breed out of most of the western nations citizenry.
 

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France, and the French, hold a different view of these brave four men. Most of the US media is reporting to each other.

My question: Could they refuse the attention, did the refuse initially? Or, do the employers of the two service men hold significant influence to the contrary.

Well done to them. Their actions speak more to our (USA) rugged individualism that has, unfortunately, been breed out of most of the western nations citizenry.


Well said.
 

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Army to award Guardsman who helped thwart Paris attack

The Army announced Tuesday night that it will award Spc. Aleksander Skarlatos of the Oregon National Guard the Soldier's Medal for his actions to stop a gunman last week on a Paris train.

The Soldier's Medal is the highest award for bravery outside of combat, the Army statement said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...ho-helped-thwart-paris-attack/article/2570836
Then there is this...

Gen. Mark Welsh, chief of staff of the Air Force, said Stone, who was injured in the incident, could be eligible for the Purple Heart if the investigation finds it was a terrorist attack, citing past precedent of the 2009 shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.
:shocker:

But!
What do the French know that the US [USAF] don't know, or maybe the US [USAF] knows something the French do not know. Anyway, the USA will award the highest award for bravery outside of combat to the Guardsmen and the USAF will Fedex a PH to the other guy.
 

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France, and the French, hold a different view of these brave four men. Most of the US media is reporting to each other.

Kinda along those lines I found this very funny:
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I guess the actor cut his finger while pushing an emergency button.

ETA: This was CNN
 
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. Anyway, the USA will award the highest award for bravery outside of combat to the Guardsmen and the USAF will Fedex a PH to the other guy.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/08/24/hero-airman-nominated-airmans-medal/32286247/

as opposed to

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/...-guardsman-nominated-soldiers-medal/32341587/

The National Guard on Tuesday said Skarlatos was nominated for the Soldier's Medal. The Army later confirmed that he will receive the award.

Stone, who was injured in the attack, will be nominated for the Airman's Medal, Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James announced Monday.

Sounds to me like the only difference is the speed with which the USAF operates as opposed to the speed of the Army.

The next question is what will the Commander of the Oregon National Guard (Governor Kate Brown) do to recognize Skarlatos? (Does Oregon even have medals they can give out? Or will he have to settle for the key to the state?:D)

stay safe.

stay safe.
 

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... [strike]Anyway, the USA will award the highest award for bravery outside of combat to the Guardsmen and the USAF will Fedex a PH to the other guy.[/strike]
Retracted. AF Times ran their story about five hours before the Washington Times ran their story. Good on the USAF and the USA.
 

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There was a US professor that got shot first before the 'alleged' terrorist went back to the soldiers' car

professor:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/...t-neck-he-tried-take-down-france-train-gunman

The --edited by Mod-- crew locked themselves in a crew cabin when the saw the terrorist coming:
http://m.therightscoop.com/wow-cowa...sengers-after-running-to-safety-in-staffroom/


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Now now, there is no way to know if they eat cheese. Being French does not mean they eat cheese. You are stereotyping [broad brushing] folks of French origin and I think this may be close to a forum rule violation. I'll let management make the final determination.
 
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