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Americans take down gun man on French train.

sudden valley gunner

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3 Americans tackled and stopped a massacre on a french train.

http://www.winknews.com/2015/08/22/americans-take-down-gunman-on-french-train/

FUQ- Cazeneuve said the Americans “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances,” and that “without their sangfroid we could have been confronted with a terrible drama.”

I am not jingoistic a bit. I do ponder why 3 Americans are the ones who took the guy down on a European train. 2 soldiers and one civilian. A fourth a Brit entered the fray after.

Are Europeans so conditioned for help that initiative has been drained from them? Is the the product of increased statism and socialism? I see this trend in the States where more and more people act similar.

One person told me it has nothing to do with "nationality" (missing my point, I do not believe in polylogism) but thinks its is because they are military, yet one was a civilian, and isn't military service mandatory in France?
 

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Read about that - they ran towards the threat, rather than cowering in the corner. Good men doing what had to be done.

Will the French government encourage/promote people arming themselves for personal defense? Not likely - their eyes are wide shut.
 

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3 Americans tackled and stopped a massacre on a french train.

http://www.winknews.com/2015/08/22/americans-take-down-gunman-on-french-train/

FUQ-
Are Europeans so conditioned for help that initiative has been drained from them? Is the the product of increased statism and socialism? I see this trend in the States where more and more people act similar.

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Yes they have

Europeans have been more wimpifed (spelling) than Americans the socialist's there have been a lot more successful in their don't hurt the poor buggers than here.

One just has to look at their disarming policies.
 
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Not since 2001, but they must register for the draft, just like Americans.

In France, open carry is prohibited, carrying a concealed firearm in a public place is allowed, subject to a valid permit (sounds familiar). Citations at http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france

Thanks for the clarification, I guess its been that long since I cared about France.....lol.

Yes they have

Europeans have been more wimpifed (spelling) than Americans the socialist's there have been a lot more successful in their don't hurt the poor buggers than here.

One just has to look at their disarming policies.

That's what I was thinking, the disarming has a lot to do with the sheep like mentality. We can see it here in certain areas too.
 

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Lindsey Graham wants to give the arm forces guy a medal. What about the citizen that participated?
This is what Soldiers get:
The Soldier's Medal is an individual decoration of the United States Army. It was introduced as Section 11 of the Air Corps Act, passed by the Congress of the United States on July 2, 1926.[1][2] The criteria for the medal are: "The Soldier's Medal is awarded to any person of the Armed Forces of the United States or of a friendly foreign nation who, while serving in any capacity with the Army of the United States distinguished himself or herself by heroism not involving actual conflict with an enemy."[3]
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This is what civilians get:
The Secretary of the Army Award for Valor was established 15 April 2002, to acknowledge acts of heroism or bravery connected with an Army employee or Army activity, or that is some way benefits the Army. The performance of the act must be evidenced by voluntary action above and beyond the call of duty. The equivalent military decoration for this award is the Soldier's Medal.[2]

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color of law

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This is what Soldiers get:
The Soldier's Medal is an individual decoration of the United States Army. It was introduced as Section 11 of the Air Corps Act, passed by the Congress of the United States on July 2, 1926.[1][2] The criteria for the medal are: "The Soldier's Medal is awarded to any person of the Armed Forces of the United States or of a friendly foreign nation who, while serving in any capacity with the Army of the United States distinguished himself or herself by heroism not involving actual conflict with an enemy."[3]
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This is what civilians get:
The Secretary of the Army Award for Valor was established 15 April 2002, to acknowledge acts of heroism or bravery connected with an Army employee or Army activity, or that is some way benefits the Army. The performance of the act must be evidenced by voluntary action above and beyond the call of duty. The equivalent military decoration for this award is the Soldier's Medal.[2]

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I'll ask the question again. Lindsey Graham wants to give the arm forces guy a medal. What about the citizen that participated?

What does the actions of these three men have to do with the army? Not a damn thing. These three American guys stepped up to the plate and stopped an armed lunatic.
 

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Graham made the comment on "fox and friends weekend" this morning. It appears fox has not posted that interview. If I find it I'll post.

I'm wondering why a citizen would accept an award for heroism from a government.

"Dear Minister of Decorations,

I utterly reject your offer of an award for heroism. In fact, I'm rather angry at your ilk for setting in motion the chain of events that led to the extreme risk to my life and others. I am referring to your imperialism games.

Quit cluttering up my voice-mail.

Sincerely,

John Doe"
 

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Looks like Spencer wanted to utilize his paramedic skill ... but first we need to knock this guy out LOL.

Box cutters? They generally cause little damage and they don't hurt when you get cut .. not an effective weapon at all. All they do is piss off the person ..
 

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Looks like Spencer wanted to utilize his paramedic skill ... but first we need to knock this guy out LOL.

Box cutters? They generally cause little damage and they don't hurt when you get cut .. not an effective weapon at all. All they do is piss off the person ..
Doubt that Spencer Stone wanted any of this to happen.

Box cutters can be a formidable weapon - Spencer nearly had his thumb severed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stab-wounds-emerges-hospital-humble-wave.html

Teacher was murdered by a 14 yo with a box cutter:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/24/math-teacher-box-cutter-death/3177855/

Box cutters were used in the 9/11 airplane hijackings - don't think that needs a cite.
 

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I'll ask the question again.
Part one: Lindsey Graham wants to give the arm forces guy a medal. What about the citizen that participated?

Part two: What does the actions of these three men have to do with the army? Not a damn thing. These three American guys stepped up to the plate and stopped an armed lunatic.

Part one: I say again.......

This is what civilians get:
The Secretary of the Army Award for Valor was established 15 April 2002, to acknowledge acts of heroism or bravery connected with an Army employee or Army activity, or that is some way benefits the Army. The performance of the act must be evidenced by voluntary action above and beyond the call of duty. The equivalent military decoration for this award is the Soldier's Medal.

One man was a US Army National Guardsman, enlisted.
One was a US Air Force enlisted.
One was a Civilian.

The Air Force equivalent of the Soldiers Medal is below.

The Airman’s Medal is a military decoration of the United States Air Force and is awarded to those service members or those of a friendly nation who, while serving in any capacity with the United States Air Force, distinguish themselves by heroic actions, usually at the voluntary risk of life, but not involving actual combat. The saving of a life or the success of the voluntary heroic act is not essential.
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