64 year old man tazed in his own home for nothing!

[rodbender]

Eye, you recently made this observation of Muslims in another thread




You rightly point out in your post that the majority of LEO's do not violate our rights. You must surely see, however, just as "moderate" Muslims must denounce terrorists, "good" LEO's must denounce those who violate the rights of citizens. This has not been the case of late in regard to LEO's or LEA's and I'm afraid until you see LEO's en masse denouce these "bad" cops the general public's opinion of all LE will continue to sour.

That's it. It's on to the ignore list for you. You are not suppose to make any derogitory comments at all about him or his posts.

 

[eye95]

Eye, you recently made this observation of Muslims in another thread

You rightly point out in your post that the majority of LEO's do not violate our rights. You must surely see, however, just as "moderate" Muslims must denounce terrorists, "good" LEO's must denounce those who violate the rights of citizens. This has not been the case of late in regard to LEO's or LEA's and I'm afraid until you see LEO's en masse denouce these "bad" cops the general public's opinion of all LE will continue to sour.

You have a point there. However, a few things to consider:

1. These events are typically suspected criminal activity. Speaking about them during investigation would be inappropriate for LEOs.

2. These events are rarer than their presence on the Internet would indicate and far less world-newsworthy than 9/11. There would be far less opportunity for LEOs to speak out on specific instances in a way that gets world-wide attention.

3. Speaking out in general about police abuses would feed the impression that they are routine. They are not.

4. Officials these days bend over backwards to investigate these events when they occur. These officials also belong to the LE community, meaning that LEOs would likely feel that it is being handled and that they should be circumspect about discussing it.

5. Most importantly, sfter such events, LEOs aren't rushing to the media and, instead of denouncing the horrific actions of others, lamenting that they will be hated for those actions. That is the complaint I was making, that the first reaction wasn't denunciation, but "We will be discriminated against," with that reaction being a self-fulfilling (and, therefore, self-serving) prophecy.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

The Blue Wall of Silence smears the so-called good cops as well as the bad. As long as the Blue Wall of Silence exists, even the so-called good cops are legitimately tainted.

The Wall hides something, the so-called good cops who practice it are hiding something. At the very least they find it tolerable, and doing nothing effective to stop it, they become themselves enablers.

Are we to really believe that so-called good-cops---the Heros in Blue, defenders of public safety, paragons of public virtue, empowered above mere citizens, and the "only ones" trained to deal with really bad people--suddenly come all over intimidated by "just a few" bad cops?

Well said.

There has become a Police culture that gets treated differently than the other civilians in our country. They get slaps on the wrist for what other civilians would go to prison or be shot for. When constitutionally they should have less power and be more accountable than regular civilians.

 

[gsx1138]

"Stop resisting!" is the cover your a$$ term that police like to use in case it ever goes to trial. I have also seen videos where the suspect is unconcious and they are still yelling it while tazing and or punching the person. People need to stop pretending that this is not a problem in our society. When you give someone authority without consequences they are far more likely to abuse that power. However, I also blame society for allowing our police to become tax collectors and nannies for our own 'safety'. This also dishonors their roll.

 

[daddy4count]

Supreme court ruled they are not obligated to do those things.

Which makes it that much more important that we know about it when they DO!

No worries, eye95

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Which makes it that much more important that we know about it when they DO!

No worries, eye95

Yes and some do.
But not many.

Out of all the prevented murders/crimes how many were prevented by LEA's, how many murders are prevented by LEA's?
How many were prevented by people taking the law into their own hands?

The latter is overwhelming the truth. Out of the 9 murders in my county last year (an outrageous amount for our area when the previous year had 0) I cannot think of one of them (including my aunt's) that would have been stopped by current police or the increased force our rulers here want to force upon us. And it made me sick they tried to use my Auntie's death as reason why we need more police........it's demented. But out of these murders I feel most would have been prevented if the people were armed and "took the law into their own hands".

We have people even here on this forum who believe they are a separate "class" than the civilians they serve. This type of thinking on the part of the LEA's, Government, and public is what causes many of the problems we see. (along with a strong police union with lots of money to lobby against the public they serve)

 

[rotty]

Want to claim the issue of the heart condition? Get Taser certified and you'll quickly find out that the statistics and personal experience illustrate that the Taser affects the nervous system (pain response portion), not the circulatory system. It is extremely difficult to link any death directly to the use of a Taser, the big issue would be if it were used on someone with a pacemaker.

Tell that to the family of this Fridley MN man who had no previous conditions yet died from being tazed while in a daze from a car wreck.
http://www.startribune.com/local/north/13877081.html

In the United States, more than 290 people have died since June 2001 after being struck by police Tasers, according to the human rights group Amnesty International. It said in October that only 25 of the 290 were armed, and none had firearms.

 

[Gunslinger]

This was a "medical" emergency, not criminal activity. The cops had no business being there, no lawful power to enter the man's home--not even to step foot on his property, and committed battery--repeatedly, against someone in his own home who had violated no laws and was injured. I can't believe the apologists for cops on this site are too dense to see this. They gave him no "lawful orders" as they were there without benefit of lawful authority. If so called LEO bashing is a no-no on this site, so should be moronic subservient apologia for the cops that act like thugs.

 

[rodbender]

This was a "medical" emergency, not criminal activity. The cops had no business being there, no lawful power to enter the man's home--not even to step foot on his property, and committed battery--repeatedly, against someone in his own home who had violated no laws and was injured. I can't believe the apologists for cops on this site are too dense to see this. They gave him no "lawful orders" as they were there without benefit of lawful authority. If so called LEO bashing is a no-no on this site, so should be moronic subservient apologia for the cops that act like thugs.

I'll drink to that!!!

 

[frommycolddeadhands]

The "stop resisting!!" cry reminds me of a South Park episode where the boys learn to hunt out of season by yelling "It's coming at me!" before shooting a rabbit so that they can later claim they killed it in self defense.

These particular cops did the wrong thing IMO. It was a medical emergency, not a criminal matter. If they got called out there to investigate a possibly 'suicidal' person they would have been better served by talking to the individual and trying to ascertain his mental state. Once they found out that everything was fine and his wife was with him they could have left. As soon as the man told them to leave they NEEDED to withdrawl. They had no right to be there and no authority to take him anywhere if he didn't want to go.

and YES the man DID have a right to refuse to be 'examined' by doctors. Unless there is a court order to commit him he has the right to refuse ANY medical treatment.

 

[Aaron1124]

Me.

You see, I don't assume that all cops are like the ones who make the news because of their horrific behavior. Most cops never make the news because most don't do this stuff.

Thank you.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Aaron is an example of the type of LEO we want working for us.
(Help's he's libertarian...)

 

[Son_of_Perdition]

Aaron is an example of the type of LEO we want working for us.
(Help's he's libertarian...)

+1
Aaron is one in a million, truly an exception.

 

[OldCurlyWolf]

If the article is reasonably accurate and the ambulance/paramedics did not call the SD, then:

The second the SD set foot on that man's property they were trespassing and subject to arrest themselves. They are also subject to ADW(Assault with a Deadly Weapon) for tazing a subject AFTER being informed of a heart condition. If the man had died they could be charged with and convicted of Murder.

:banghead:

 

[JoeSparky]

In many juridictions the LEO's and Pre-hospital care providers SHARE dispatching services and LEO CAN be routinely sent to ANY EMS call.

Questions and observations I have for this situation....

Did the EMS call and ask for assistance with a suicidal subject?
If the above is YES, the WHY was EMS leaving when the SO arrived?
In viewing the recording from the tv station, I hear a deputy alleging that the homeowner had made a suicidal type threat BUT IT IS NOT HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE HOMEOWNER but he didn't deny it either on the tape.
IF the Deputies are so concerned about the homeowner's ALLEGED suicidal threat then WHY was he sent to the JAIL instead of to a medical facility for an emergency psychological evaluation?

While listening to the tape during the time frame WHEN the taser is being fired (buzzing sound in background) when it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the homeowner to OBEY instructions the voice is saying something like "Stop resisting" and the officer is attempting to pull the homeowner's left arm from in front of his body to the side and then behind his back.

I will not be on the jury for this one but for my 2 cents.... the SO screwed up UNLESS they have some VERY STRONG evidence that has not YET been made public.

 

[riverrat10k]

If they had tased my wife in this same scenario, I would have shot the cops. Sorry, potentially deadly threat met with deadly force. Thugs.

 

[since9]

Sounds like either negative training, or extremely poor training:

1. Man hurts knee during a stumble.

2. Wife calls paramedics. Paramedics treat, then as they're leaving...

3. LEOs also respond and order him to "Stand up, put your hands behind your back or you're going to be Tased."

4. McFarland, a 64-year-old injured man, refuses due to his injury.

5. In response, the LEO tases him, not once, but three times.

6. "ABC7's calls to the Marin County Sheriff's Department were not returned."

No kidding. Probably a standing order that when one of them screws up royally, "don't talk about it, ever. Hopefully, it'll just blow away."

Not this time. Not ever. Anywhere.

 

[HeroHog]

This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I fear. I can't kneel due to my 2 bad knees and there is no way I can put my hands behind my back due to my shoulder issues. Also, one knee in my back and I could wind up paralyzed due to my spinal injuries. I have seen WAY to many times police ignore the pleading and screams of pain by people who have such problems when they ARE doing their best to comply with an officers orders. I do my best to avoid being in any situation that would put me in that position but I also know that sometimes you are just at the wrong place at just the wrong time and it can and does happen.

What is one to do to prevent this sort of thing? If it does happen, how do you undo the pain and damage you have caused an innocent person?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Good thing he wasn't a wood carver, or they may have shot him like SPD does in Seattle.

 

[papa bear]

The "stop resisting!!" cry reminds me of a South Park episode where the boys learn to hunt out of season by yelling "It's coming at me!" before shooting a rabbit so that they can later claim they killed it in self defense.

a term i use for this kind of leo attitude is the "Cartman syndrome" "you will respect my authoritah" right before he clubs (taze) them