2013 report of LEO who died on the job

[WalkingWolf]

If I recall, the cop was doing 100 or so. The female trooper had many choice words regarding his intentional disregard for the safety of the motoring public. The arrested officer was justifying his extreme speed as required to get to his second job on time.

Irony is think in this story. The cop was afforded a taste of the real world that non-cops travel in.

It's odd that a Mass cop who spends a lot of time on the internet was not aware of the stop.:lol:

Another reason I think he is fictional.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Fuller..... in MA seatbelt is not a primary enforcement violation. So you NEED some other violation before you can stop them.

Less bash.... more read.....I believe I may have even put that in bold somewhere so you could read it slower.

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Are you not the one always complaining about insults?!?

And not that I doubt you(cough, cough) please provide a cite to the claim.

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Key word..... report. Can you show me where it says conduct traffic stops on each other?

I've already said this 5 times. Departments have policies requiring their guys to wear belts. This is them saying "follow the policy and tell us who doesn't so so we can write then up".

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So let's see some reports. I know you wouldn't just let a child play with explosives, you'd do something, even if they were legal explosives, so why would you allow a cop to drive without safety belts? Would you report a cop that won't wear a protective vest? Piddle around in perp blood without safety gloves? What else do you "cover" for?

I keep getting this quote hit, something about the silent collusion of good cops making possible the violations of the bad ones........

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Fuller..... in MA seatbelt is not a primary enforcement violation. So you NEED some other violation before you can stop them.

Less bash.... more read.....I believe I may have even put that in bold somewhere so you could read it slower.

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You're cherry picking again / yet. The entire post forms the context, not a sentence you pick out and run with. We're kinda on to you about that.

 

[WalkingWolf]

The supposed Mass LEO caught in another mistruth, it turns out Mass is a click it or ticket state.

http://www.mass.gov/eopss/crime-prev-personal-sfty/traffic-safety/click-it-or-ticket/

Which means they only have to observe a seat belt violation to make a stop.
Well it seems you do have this one correct, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Here is the statute you should have posted. What puzzles me is why you did not, you do know Mass statutes don't you.

Chapter 90: Section 13A[8]
The provisions of this section shall be enforced by law enforcement agencies only when an operator of a motor vehicle has been stopped for a violation of the motor vehicle laws or some other offense.

I am not sure how Mass can call themselves a click it or ticket state when they do not make stops for it.

 

[Primus]

Lol yes fuller I drug the tail light out into this...... BECAUSE A SEAT BELT IS NOT A PRIMARY OFFENSE IN MA. YOU CANNOT PULL OVER JUST FOR A SEAT BELT. YOU NEED ANOTHR INFRACTION. I USED A LIGHT OUT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR YOU.

note: I used all caps because all caps makes you read things slower. Hoping if I slow things down for fuller he can catch up.

Its discretion if you cite for seatbelt or taillight out. For anyone. There is no exemption for a Leo and their cruiser. There is also no exemption for fed ex employees. I personally use my discretion to not stop or cite either party. Basically any person using their vehicle for work I leave alone. That's personal opinion..not law or dept policy so can't cite it. If your a dominos driver I won't bother you. Delivering flowers in a van? Won't see me pulling you over.

Instead of reading that and saying "hey good on him for giving working joes a break" we have some that are just digging and trying desperately to find something wrong with it.

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Are you not the one always complaining about insults?!?

And not that I doubt you(cough, cough) please provide a cite to the claim.

Here ya go ww.... anything else I can do for you?

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[WalkingWolf]

Here ya go ww.... anything else I can do for you?

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YOU did not provide a cite, you provided a claim. I had to find the cite FOR YOU! It should have been a breeze for a Mass LEO...

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Fuller..... in MA seatbelt is not a primary enforcement violation. So you NEED some other violation before you can stop them.

Less bash.... more read.....I believe I may have even put that in bold somewhere so you could read it slower.

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Aw, can the dolt act. If you walk up on a driver to ""check on their well-being / fish" and smell alcohol on him, you'll find PC to test him, and haul him in if he fails. Don't lie and say you'd let him drive away, even though you had not witnessed him driving prior to smelling alcohol on him.

Besides, what kind of message are superheroes sending to our children about driving safety if they themselves are above wearing them? Not your brother's keeper? Yet everyone else is your "ward", to be led to submission? Maybe the ol' Nuernberg Defense, "just following orders"? No, I doubt they have any problem getting you on board with methods of oppression!

 

[sudden valley gunner]

If I had lowered my standards to be a public servant. If I had the power of ticketing for non seat belts I would use great discernment for the mundanes. I would target the fellow servants who don't use seat belts and write them up, of course we know then the career as a public servant wouldn't last long.

 

[countryclubjoe]

Already explained why I thinking would be dumb to be utilizing cruisers to pull other cruisers over and conduct traffic stops and issue citations.

Ww did you ever cite any officers for not wearing a belt? How about any other traffic violation? Please elaborate on your methods of conducting said traffic stop on another cruiser. Did you ask for license and registration for cruiser? Did you run said officers driver license? If/when that officer got a call for service did you demand he wait till you were done citing him? Did he have his lights activated also during this stop? Throughout the night that other 30 times you saw him at calls would you issue new citations for the light out or seatbelt not being on?

If you haven't done this then get off my back about not doing it or thinking its dumb.

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Primus--

Simply man up and just say, " I don't cross the thin blue line" and that " Cops don't do cops"...

Regards

CCJ

 

[countryclubjoe]

[video=youtube;0RL8BtQsG_U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RL8BtQsG_U[/video]
One of my officers stopped the sheriff for DUI, we turned it over to the ISP. And yes I wrote citations to officers in cruisers for breaking traffic laws. NOT just the police but the fire department also. Most times the result of accidents, but not all the time. The only way the public is going to respect law enforcement is if law enforcement is held accountable just like anybody else.

In fact I believe there is a video of a FHP patrol stopping a Miami squad car and arresting the driver. It is not a lone incident.

I recall reading back when this incident occur that both agency's were, even prior to this incident having ******* fights with each other.

This is an exception more then a rule... Cops don't do cops...

Serpico retired a very long time ago.

Best regards

CCJ

 

[Primus]

Primus--

Simply man up and just say, " I don't cross the thin blue line" and that " Cops don't do cops"...

Regards

CCJ

Depends on what the issue is. Would I give a cop a break? You bet. But I also give veterans breaks too. I try to give decent folks a break. Would I try harder to give breaks? Certainly. I'd also they harder to five my mother a break. Would I let an officer get away with murder? No way.

Put it in perspective. What crime an are you talking about? I won't and don't prescribe to any "if your a cop I'll do anything to keep you out of trouble". Check the news. Plenty of cops still get duis and locked up for domestics and accident etc. Etc

Do some officers hold to that blue line more then others? Maybe. But I don't. I'll certainly help a brother officer more then some citizen I've never met. I'd also help one of the guys in my unit I deployed with more. Also help and let get away with a serious violent crime are not the same thing.

Again this is personal opinion and doesn't anyway represent any other Leo anywhere else not any department.

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[Primus]

I recall reading back when this incident occur that both agency's were, even prior to this incident having ******* fights with each other.

This is an exception more then a rule... Cops don't do cops...

Serpico retired a very long time ago.

Best regards

CCJ

If this was in California thus just recently came up in conversation between myself and an ex LAPD officer. Tour right about there being a "war" that went on for a while.

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[PistolPackingMomma]

Depends on what the issue is. Would I give a cop a break? You bet. But I also give veterans breaks too. I try to give decent folks a break. Would I try harder to give breaks? Certainly. I'd also they harder to five my mother a break. Would I let an officer get away with murder? No way.

Put it in perspective. What crime an are you talking about? I won't and don't prescribe to any "if your a cop I'll do anything to keep you out of trouble". Check the news. Plenty of cops still get duis and locked up for domestics and accident etc. Etc

Do some officers hold to that blue line more then others? Maybe. But I don't. I'll certainly help a brother officer more then some citizen I've never met. I'd also help one of the guys in my unit I deployed with more. Also help and let get away with a serious violent crime are not the same thing.

Again this is personal opinion and doesn't anyway represent any other Leo anywhere else not any department.

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Strawman. No one mentioned violent crime.

If a citizen is subject to laws, cops should be too. Equally and without exception.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Strawman. No one mentioned violent crime.

If a citizen is subject to laws, cops should be too. Equally and without exception.

+100 IMO this is the biggest reason for public animosity towards police by the public, after 9-11 they have not been held accountable. The FBI used to sometimes hold one or two but now local police and FBI are tied together at the hip.

 

[Primus]

Strawman. No one mentioned violent crime.

If a citizen is subject to laws, cops should be too. Equally and without exception.

What? Out of the whole paragraph you focus on that one bit?

Ma'am what you fail to realize is giw strict the law is and how many times you break it even by accident. You seen to dislike the ability to cut breaks. So are you suggesting that I ticket every single person I encounter with every infraction I find?

Every time a tire crosses a line.. every time you go through a yellow light every time you forget a blinker every time you speed even by just a mile or two over the limit by accident....

Really? You have no idea how many things I see on a nightly basis and just let it go. A lady didnt use her blinker? Well guess what she has 3 kids in the car and its 10 degress out... not stopping her. A guy goes through a yellow? Well he happens to be 70. Not stopping him in that case.

Why do you not see this as a good thing? This HELPS people.

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[WalkingWolf]

Since when is going through a yellow light illegal? Please cite?

Letting police get off of crimes is helping people? :lol:

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Primus--

Simply man up and just say, " I don't cross the thin blue line" and that " Cops don't do cops"...

Regards

CCJ

CCJ, if I'm not mistaken, you just won the fishing tournament. That bottom feeder took your hook, line and sinker! Nice gigging!

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

What? Out of the whole paragraph you focus on that one bit?

~SNIPPed

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Now Pinus plays "The pot calls the kettle black"! Your modus operandi here is based on taking partial sentences of a post and running with it, misconstruing context.

 

[Citizen]

SNIP Why do you not see this as a good thing? This HELPS people.

Phfffft!

This Primus fellow spent numerous posts supporting the state and dodging discussion points about coercion by the state.

But, now wants to show how he helps people.

Only a government functionary could twist leaving people alone into helping them. In this case, by leaving them alone after they "commit" "violations" of malum prohibitum laws.

I'm starting to look forward to the day when it is a felony to perpetrate government against someone who didn't expressly consent to being governed.