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Permit Required?

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SprayAndPray

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Rich B said:
If you were made to wait past the statute dictated limits, the local police department has violated state law. The state laws very strictly define what time periods may pass between each stage.

The state does not become 'may issue' just because you did not express your rights and hold the PD to the letter of the law.

CT permits are not the topic here, so I invite you seek more information here:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?90-Connecticut




You don't understand the law if you believe any of what you are saying. This is equivalent to the people in CT who ask me for where in the law there is an OC statute if OC is legal.

There is a 'suitability' clause in the law that makes things messy (and likely unconstitutional), but it by far does not make CT a may issue state.
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REALLY?!?!?!

So i did NOT actually have to go before the board of firearms permit examiners when the cop took my permint to get it back?

I imagined that?

Cause I was still legally eligable to have a permit , yet the state revoked it.....

In what world is "we can take it for any reason we want" not may issue?


Oh yeah... you can still be denied for "eligability" which you yourself admit..... If you can be denied for some variable standard of eligability not based in prohibited person status, you are not shall issue. PERIOD



BTW... I have not been following it .... did the board of firearms permit examiners ever start meeting again?
 
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Flash Gordon

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since we hit 100 replies I suppose I should throw in my 2 cents seeing as I started the thread. I personally wouldn't be satisfied with a permit system. I don't see a need to have a permit to exercise my 1st amendment rights so I don't see the need to have a permit for any of my other constitutional rights. If a permit were to pass it's just one more thing we have to fight. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
 
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johnny amish said:
Would'nt it be great to get a free speach permit or permit to go to church. You might be worshiping in a dangerous manner causing harm to you salvation.
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I wonder what sort of training would be required, requisite to combat-discussion? Would high-level literacy/grammar/orthography be essential? Only government agents might be professional enough to use a repeating-key////////////////////// oops, an AD
 
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Wisconsin Carry said:
If Scott Walker is elected we are assured at a MINIMUM to get a shall issue permit system. That is a virtual guarantee.


((CUT SOME GOOD STUFF OUT HERE))

Knowing a shall-issue permit system is a virtual guarantee if Scott Walker is elected, why would anyone who has the ultimate goal of the smallest government most sensible right to carry set a shall-issue permit system as their goal? Anyone skilled in negotiation will tell you that you don't go to the table and use what you would accept as a starting point. You go to the table with your ideal outcome as your starting point. It always possible to settle for less, but never possible to get more than you begin asking for.

((CUT SOME GOOD STUFF OUT HERE))


If this isn't the perfect storm to just repeal 941.23, what is?

Find ONE state assemblyman to introduce a repeal of 941.23 and lets see which republicans will buck the party platform and vote AGAINST that.

If we don't get a repeal of 941.23 its not because it wasn't possible but because we didn't try.

Carry On
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I tend to agree with this, other than to speak for or for what Scott W. may or may not do once he's elected. I believe his stance may be more of an ... I will sign what comes in front of me ..., (which could be a repeal of 941.23 bill.) not necessarily to instigate the creation of legislation on the issue. Again, I would never assume to speak for anyone, let alone a politician on the campaign trail. (sorry Scott.)

That said, I wholeheartedly agree on the starting position of any possible negotiating circumstance. One needs to know that if some compromise or consensus is going to be needed in a political arena, you best never (repeat Never) start discussions from where you intend to end up.

Perhaps a long overdue summit of the various 2A groups in WI would be in order? Kind of a "all hands on deck" meeting as it were. At this date, it may prove to be a bit late, but as the saying goes, it's never to late to start.

Just a thought or two
 
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Spartacus

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johnny amish said:
I suppose if you gave a speach in a church you would need two permits.
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I suppose you meant preach John. You must not go to church.

Actually you would need ordination and a license to preach in any denomination.

And the members all carry cards and report income in most cases to keep tithing honest.

Sorry to burst your bubble about religion, but its basically a business same as government.
 
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paul@paul-fisher.com

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Spartacus said:
I suppose you meant preach John. You must not go to church.

Actually you would need ordination and a license to preach in any denomination.

And the members all carry cards and report income in most cases to keep tithing honest.

Sorry to burst your bubble about religion, but its basically a business same as government.
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Most of the time, nope, nope.

I don't know what church you go to but in every church I have ever been a member of, I have never had a membership card and have never had to prove tithing. The church I go to know does not even pass the hat. There is a small box by the front door that isn't even marked and the only mention of it is a small note at the bottom of the bulletin telling you where it is.

No pledge drives, no fund drives, we pay off the building before we finish the project. No mortgage.

What I give to my church is between me and God.
 
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paul@paul-fisher.com said:
Most of the time, nope, nope.

I don't know what church you go to but in every church I have ever been a member of, I have never had a membership card and have never had to prove tithing. The church I go to know does not even pass the hat. There is a small box by the front door that isn't even marked and the only mention of it is a small note at the bottom of the bulletin telling you where it is.

No pledge drives, no fund drives, we pay off the building before we finish the project. No mortgage.

What I give to my church is between me and God.
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Good for you Paul. But in the same breath you know thats not the norm.
 
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Spartacus said:
As most here, apparently you need to get out more.
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I've only heard of a few churches who check people's income. I've never belonged to one of those churches and there is nothing in the Bible that requires people to tithe. But now, we are way off topic.
 
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Spartacus said:
As most here, apparently you need to get out more.
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Hmmmm.... So.... because I like my church and have been going there for 7 years there is something wrong with me?

Exactly what 'brand' of church has asked you for income information? I would love to know that!

I have to our 'company' church in Monaco from 1964 - 1973. I went to a local African church in Manzini Swaziland from 1973-1976, I went to a Conservative Baptist church in Agana, Guam from 1976-1978, went to another Conservative Baptist, Free Methodist and Nazarene church from 1978-1992, an Evangelical Free Church of America church from 1992-2000 and another EFCA church from 2000-2003 and another from 2003 to today.

In addition, since my Father is a Free Methodist minister and a missionary for the last 50 years, we went to a different church 3 times a week for 6 months every 4 years when we were back stateside. Just about every flavor of Evangelical Christian church. Not a single person I know who has gone to ANY of those churches has EVER shown me a membership card or told me about proving income.

I guess, once again, you know everything an I'm just a clueless, sheltered country bumpkin that is clueless. I guess I wonder how you can put up with us mere mortals in the same world as you?
 
Spartacus

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protias said:
I've only heard of a few churches who check people's income. I've never belonged to one of those churches and there is nothing in the Bible that requires people to tithe. But now, we are way off topic.
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What threads don't go off topic around here eventually? lol

Most mainstream churches need proof of income, yes.

The point is that John was missing the point when he used churches as an argument for not permitting.
 
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protias said:
I've only heard of a few churches who check people's income. I've never belonged to one of those churches and there is nothing in the Bible that requires people to tithe. But now, we are way off topic.
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Then they are not good churches. You should WANT to give to God's work. It says "God loves a cheerful giver". God doesn't want you money if it is extorted/coerced.
 
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paul@paul-fisher.com said:
Hmmmm.... So.... because I like my church and have been going there for 7 years there is something wrong with me?

Exactly what 'brand' of church has asked you for income information? I would love to know that!

I have to our 'company' church in Monaco from 1964 - 1973. I went to a local African church in Manzini Swaziland from 1973-1976, I went to a Conservative Baptist church in Agana, Guam from 1976-1978, went to another Conservative Baptist, Free Methodist and Nazarene church from 1978-1992, an Evangelical Free Church of America church from 1992-2000 and another EFCA church from 2000-2003 and another from 2003 to today.

In addition, since my Father is a Free Methodist minister and a missionary for the last 50 years, we went to a different church 3 times a week for 6 months every 4 years when we were back stateside. Just about every flavor of Evangelical Christian church. Not a single person I know who has gone to ANY of those churches has EVER shown me a membership card or told me about proving income.

I guess, once again, you know everything an I'm just a clueless, sheltered country bumpkin that is clueless. I guess I wonder how you can put up with us mere mortals in the same world as you?
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Ouch! I hit a nerve eh? We should compare spiritual penises someday. I have a really big one. Spiritually that is...
 
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