rob99vmi04
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The caliber argument will never die. Some love the .45 acp while others devote themselves to the 9mm.
9mm works
.45 acp works
.40 SW works
.357 Magnum Works
.38 Special works
10mm works
Now heres my opinion non of the above state are good for stopping a man. I've heard bigger is better, lighter and faster is better and so on........
Energy transfers that are argued are so irrelavant because of the such the close similiarity in Foot pounds and diameters that this is really irrelavant.
If you don't believe me even the late great Col. Cooper stated "There is no good handgun caliber for hunting man!"
Non of the above calibers reach velocities that can turn temporary cavities (that's those neat distortions you see in gelatin tests that Gun Rags put in to get you buy the greatest new caliber and or cartridge.) The only types of gun ammo combo that produces this effect is a rifle cartridge!
People say that 45 is the one shot wonder! Although a great caliber! WRONG! The human body can't tell caliber diameters (i.e. the difference of .10 of inch from a 9mm .vs a .45 acp). This is a huge wives tail. The human body only can tell when something important has been destroyed. There is also only one location that you can hit somebody and reliable get an immediat desired effect. Thats the CNS. All of the above calibers will destroy the CNS if the projectile finds it. NON of the above will reliable produce the tearing effect to destroy the CNS unlless the lead in the projectile actually finds the CNS.
I'm sure there have been cases where people have been hit once in the chest and have reliable stopped fighting. Unfortunatly, no one can determine the reliable effect of what a human critter will do if shot in any other area beside serving the electrical signals the brain sends to operate the body itself.
To those who say shot em once with a .40 or .45 remind me to never come to your training school. Non of the top trainers/schools agree with you!
-Shoot as fast as you can to achieve Defensive accuracy
-Shoot until the threat stops
Carry what your comfortable with. I personally carry a 9mm for the majority of the time. Do I feel out gunned? No, I know that I can shoot very quickly almost 2x faster then a harder recoiling gun and still achieve combat accuracy. Plus I have about 2 times more chances to do so. If stopping the threat means 1 shot that works if stopping the threat means 12 shots I'm still good.
Heres the real differnce between the calibers.
9mm-.357 .40 S&W .45 acp
115gr-147gr 155gr-180gr 165gr-230gr
300-400 FPS 350-450 fps 350-500fps
There are 7,000 grains in 1 lb
Comparisents of bullet in weight in % to 1 lb=16 ounces
Converssion of percentages into actual actual weight in ounces of projectiles.
147gr/7,000gr=2.1% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .021=.336 of 1 ounce
180gr/7,000gr=2.57% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .0257=.4112 of 1 ounce
230gr/7,000gr=3.2% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .032= .512 of 1 ounce YAY we are at half an ounce
What does all these numbers mean absolutely nothing if you can't hit the important spot the small variations in bullet weights, energy transfers, .10 of inch difference in caliber size are such a small part of the overall picture. If you devote more time in learning to shoot defensively and accurately your caliber problems do not even become a factor if you train properly. In fact you might have more "STOPPING POWER" if one has an issue and you drop to a smaller caliber.
The caliber argument will never die. Some love the .45 acp while others devote themselves to the 9mm.
9mm works
.45 acp works
.40 SW works
.357 Magnum Works
.38 Special works
10mm works
Now heres my opinion non of the above state are good for stopping a man. I've heard bigger is better, lighter and faster is better and so on........
Energy transfers that are argued are so irrelavant because of the such the close similiarity in Foot pounds and diameters that this is really irrelavant.
If you don't believe me even the late great Col. Cooper stated "There is no good handgun caliber for hunting man!"
Non of the above calibers reach velocities that can turn temporary cavities (that's those neat distortions you see in gelatin tests that Gun Rags put in to get you buy the greatest new caliber and or cartridge.) The only types of gun ammo combo that produces this effect is a rifle cartridge!
People say that 45 is the one shot wonder! Although a great caliber! WRONG! The human body can't tell caliber diameters (i.e. the difference of .10 of inch from a 9mm .vs a .45 acp). This is a huge wives tail. The human body only can tell when something important has been destroyed. There is also only one location that you can hit somebody and reliable get an immediat desired effect. Thats the CNS. All of the above calibers will destroy the CNS if the projectile finds it. NON of the above will reliable produce the tearing effect to destroy the CNS unlless the lead in the projectile actually finds the CNS.
I'm sure there have been cases where people have been hit once in the chest and have reliable stopped fighting. Unfortunatly, no one can determine the reliable effect of what a human critter will do if shot in any other area beside serving the electrical signals the brain sends to operate the body itself.
To those who say shot em once with a .40 or .45 remind me to never come to your training school. Non of the top trainers/schools agree with you!
-Shoot as fast as you can to achieve Defensive accuracy
-Shoot until the threat stops
Carry what your comfortable with. I personally carry a 9mm for the majority of the time. Do I feel out gunned? No, I know that I can shoot very quickly almost 2x faster then a harder recoiling gun and still achieve combat accuracy. Plus I have about 2 times more chances to do so. If stopping the threat means 1 shot that works if stopping the threat means 12 shots I'm still good.
Heres the real differnce between the calibers.
9mm-.357 .40 S&W .45 acp
115gr-147gr 155gr-180gr 165gr-230gr
300-400 FPS 350-450 fps 350-500fps
There are 7,000 grains in 1 lb
Comparisents of bullet in weight in % to 1 lb=16 ounces
Converssion of percentages into actual actual weight in ounces of projectiles.
147gr/7,000gr=2.1% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .021=.336 of 1 ounce
180gr/7,000gr=2.57% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .0257=.4112 of 1 ounce
230gr/7,000gr=3.2% of 1 lb , 16 ounces x .032= .512 of 1 ounce YAY we are at half an ounce
What does all these numbers mean absolutely nothing if you can't hit the important spot the small variations in bullet weights, energy transfers, .10 of inch difference in caliber size are such a small part of the overall picture. If you devote more time in learning to shoot defensively and accurately your caliber problems do not even become a factor if you train properly. In fact you might have more "STOPPING POWER" if one has an issue and you drop to a smaller caliber.
