Wauwatosa man beaten by three teenage girls

[Mlutz]

The guy stuck his nose where it CLEARLY did not belong. This shouldnt even be a question really.
I agree Hardballer, what was there to prove?

 

[GLOCK21GB]

He needs to turn in his "man card" Now ! letting 3 girls beat you up ???? LOL I was always taught not to hit a girl, until she hits me first-then that gentleman crap gets thrown out the window in a hurry... That's why I have a Baseball bat next to my drivers seat in my Van....I will not lose a fight & I will not be beaten up by some freeking teen age girls.

But I agree with those that said..I would have just kept on going...

 

[Zeus]

He looked like a nice mild mannered slight built fella, that's why he got targeted. If he looked like a big ass biker, like Glock34, they wouldn't have been trying to prove how bad they thought they were. I probably would have took the pic first with my phone and then asked her WTF? A nice dose of pepper spray would have ended that pretty quickly. A less lethal option is handy in those situations and you probably would get off easy with the disparity of force of 3-5 against one. OC would have definitely thwarted it before it started but you can't OC while sitting in your car unfortunately.

 

[GLOCK21GB]

He looked like a nice mild mannered slight built fella, that's why he got targeted. If he looked like a big ass biker, like Glock34, they wouldn't have been trying to prove how bad they thought they were. I probably would have took the pic first with my phone and then asked her WTF? A nice dose of pepper spray would have ended that pretty quickly. A less lethal option is handy in those situations and you probably would get off easy with the disparity of force of 3-5 against one. OC would have definitely thwarted it before it started but you can't OC while sitting in your car unfortunately.

lol

 

[HandyHamlet]

A less lethal option is handy in those situations and you probably would get off easy with the disparity of force of 3-5 against one.

Oh really?
I assure you I am more lethal than pepper spray. It's just that girls kind of scare me.

 

[lockman]

There isnt enough there to use deadly force...but that doesnt mean
you still cant defend yourself.

Great Spirit gave us 2 hands and 2 feet for a reason.

LR Yote

Multiple assailants "as many as five at one point", so what if their only weapons are fists and feet. Your life is in danger for sure. Deadly force justified? That is a judgment call only for the person living the threat.

 

[tomm1963]

Multiple assailants "as many as five at one point", so what if their only weapons are fists and feet. Your life is in danger for sure. Deadly force justified? That is a judgment call only for the person living the threat.

It will be a judgement call by a responding LEO, then a District Attorney, then a Jury of your Peers. From the poll results many of your peers will send you to jail on this one.

 

[lockman]

It will be a judgement call by a responding LEO, then a District Attorney, then a Jury of your Peers. From the poll results many of your peers will send you to jail on this one.

But that is the risk. No matter what you face that potential even with what appears to be a wholly justified shoot.

 

[AaronS]

The question of whether deadly force was justified will be a decision made by the police, THE MEDIA, then the DA, and then perhaps a jury.

Given that even if a jury would find your use of force justified, you will go through an experience no one would ever want to go through to get there.... (financial ruin)

Given that EVEN people who were never arrested and never charged suggest that using deadly force was an experience they would never want to go through again (court of public opinion)

The question we should all be asking ourselves when we think of situations and scenario's is NOT whether deadly force would be justified. It is whether deadly force can be avoided and to avoid ALL conflict whenever possible.

The judgment of whether the use of deadly force was justified will be arbitrary. One jury may find one way, one jury another. A DA in Milwaukee may decide to charge what a DA in Waukesha would not.

The whole "armed society is a polite society" isn't true because you get to shoot someone who is rude to you.... Its true because when you are armed, you know its BETTER to let someone be rude to you than instigate an armed conflict. And as such you avoid conflict at all costs. Every conflict you have, verbal or otherwise, is an armed conflict if you are armed.

I don't know what a jury would decide about this guy's case.

I don't know what a DA would decide about this guy's case.

I DO KNOW that whatever would be decided, if it were me, and I were ARMED OR NOT, I'd NEVER engage a bunch of punk kids. If they are enough of a bunch of punks to be shouting obscenities in a parking lot, they aren't going to listen to a reasonable person asking them to stop.

What the hell was this guy thinking engaging a bunch of punk kids? Did he think they would all say "hey, that guy is right, we are acting like hooligans" and apologize?

Get real.

This guy was STUPID. Perhaps dumber than the thugs that beat on him. He knew better, they probably didn't. He has something to lose going to jail, they probably don't.

Unless these thugs were actively putting someone else's life/safety in danger, he should have got in his car and called police as he drove away. If they spit on his car he could have had the last laugh when the police were stuffing them in the back of a squad car for disorderly conduct.

I do agree with ya, this guy made a real dumb choice, and his kid was with him... I say luck was on his side.
What makes me more sad is hearing that he had no help until the Police came to stop it. To know that some people just sat and watched this all go down is as sad as the first crime...

 

[Badger Johnson]

It was an obvious lose-lose situation. He should have steered clear, not interjected himself as moral arbiter. In fact being that he has poor impulse control, I'd not be in favor of approving him for a HG CPL/CHL of any kind at the moment.

$.02

 

[Badger Johnson]

on a side note i wonder if they would of even confronted him if he was OCing

Wait...what?? Man, the girl took away his cellphone. Don't even go there! :banghead:

 

[oak1971]

It was an obvious lose-lose situation. He should have steered clear, not interjected himself as moral arbiter. In fact being that he has poor impulse control, I'd not be in favor of approving him for a HG CPL/CHL of any kind at the moment.

$.02

Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

 

[Badger Johnson]

^^ Well, I carry a HG because I have an OVERWHELMING desire, nay passion, for wanting to stay out of trouble. So I'm happy to be judged by the strictest criterion.

 

[SIGdude]

If this situation happened to me I have the sinking feeling the video would be on youtube, the front page of the paper would be a three-still of me giving one of them the rope-a-dope, and I would be in jail for trouncing 5 teenage girls. Not that I have a temper or interject into other people's business, but if 5 teenage girls tried to jump me, there would have been 5 sets ofr bruised ribs and busted lips.

And I doubt I would have ever felt threatened enough to pull a gun on them, but like someone said before, it takes very little to escalate a situation from one where you initially didn't fear for your life to one where you do.

And as far as the old adage of never hitting a woman goes, you stop being a woman the instant you make a violent action towards me. At that point, you're a combatant and fair game.

 

[LR Yote 312]

Not that I have a temper or interject into other people's business, but if 5 teenage girls tried to jump me, there would have been 5 sets ofr bruised ribs and busted lips.

And as far as the old adage of never hitting a woman goes, you stop being a woman the instant you make a violent action towards me. At that point, you're a combatant and fair game.

My thoughts as well...

I dont believe in hitting women or minors ......But...

Once that first strike is made,....all bets are off.

LR Yote

 

[Zeus]

I guess maybe it should say, "Never hit a Lady" because a Lady wouldn't be acting like a skanky gang banger biatch.

 

[MKEgal]

one-hit kills

There was some discussion of one-hit kills in reference to these female hoodlums (also during Jim's Utah class last Sunday). Here's a page from www.learnaboutguns.com talking about several news reports of one-hit kills:
http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/12/16/any-violent-attack-can-constitute-a-deadly-threat/

McHenry County, IL Judge Sharon Prather found defendant Dustin Goy guilty after witnesses said he punched Carlsen from the side, knocking down the 45-year-old man instantly. Carlsen, who was five inches taller than Goy and 130 pounds heavier, fell back and struck his head on the pavement. He died a week later.

http://archive.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/4-year-sentence-in-one-punch-death.html

A teenager was jailed for 20 months today for killing a man with a single punch in an unprovoked attack. Darryl Church was just 17 years old when he walked up to William McNaught and assaulted him. The blow twisted Mr McNaught’s neck, rupturing a vital artery and severed the flow of blood to his brain. (Gloucester, England)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-man-single-punch-locked-just-20-months.html
The attacker was 17, had been drinking alcohol, & had a previous run-in with the law for assault (which knocked someone unconscious).

Another teenage killer:

A TEENAGER accused of the manslaughter of budding football star Sam Davis has been committed to stand trial in the District Court. Davis died days after allegedly being punched in the back of the head at a party at Brighton in May. The court has previously heard Clake assaulted Davis during a melee that had evolved from a trivial dispute about surfing. It is alleged the freak punch severed a crucial bone in the spine of the teenager, who spent less than a day on life support before he died.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/teen-to-stand-trial-for-manslaughter/story-e6freol3-1111117593001

Blunt force trauma to the head is what killed 26-year old Noah Hopper earlier this week. Ada County Coroner Erwein Sonnenberg completed the autopsy Thursday. Police say Hopper was punched in the face by a friend, Joshua Luman, early Monday morning.

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Some friend.

A 51-year-old homeless man has died after another man punched him in the face outside a convenience store, police said. The punch knocked the homeless man to the pavement, where he hit his head, police said. Brian Sewasky, 25, of 567 Washington St., is charged with murder.

http://www.eagletribune.com/haverhi...s-man-killed-by-punch-man-charged-with-murder