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Visiting Arizona - Grand Canyon Railway - No Guns ?!?

Robin47

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I firmly believe that Xanterra's policy is illegal. I would personally carry in violation of their policy. I'm not telling you what YOU should do. Having to defend yourself before ignorant, arrogant elitists is a pain in the ass.

Xanterra may be a private company, but they are contracting with the government to service the public on public lands. They do not have same rights as private property owners.
I agree, check that out !
 

solus

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You know robin, before quoting an early post from almost three years ago, you might digest the remaining member’s commentary as well as currency in case stautory oversight changes.

MAC further stated later in the thread, quote “...
The law is unfortunately complicated to read because of AZ's long history of dicking around with our rights before currently being, again, mostly a permitless* state. The sign is grossly misleading by using the word "absolutely," and some jurisdictions with statist nannies in charge are probably doing that on purpose.

*the term Constitutional Carry is a misnomer. Unquote.

Finally, the inital OP OC’d w/o incident.
 

BB62

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Most signs in AZ don't have the force of law behind them. Government buildings, school grounds, etc. and establishments that serve alcohol for on-site consumption with the proper ARS 4-229 statute signage requirements being met essentially do, but that's about it. And the 4-229 thing is mostly out of fear that "guns and alcohol don't mix," which is ridiculous because the law already makes it illegal to consume alcohol at these establishments if armed, ergo if someone is going to ignore the sign, they'll probably just ignore the law and drink while carrying anyway. Of course, there are some folks out there who seem to believe that having a gun anywhere in close proximity to a beer that you aren't even drinking will turn you into a lunatic.
Can you clarify the law you mentioned with respect to alcohol serving establishments?

As I understand what you've written, only "No Guns" signs in such places when accompanied by their liquor license have the force of law - correct?

Does the law, whatever it is, apply to both OC and CC?

Thank you.
 

solus

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Uh, BB62, member named ‘trickster’ has not visited since apr 18 and the post you quote was from 2016...
 
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