VCDL alert on Fairfax Arrest

[jaredbelch]

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All I can say about this whole thread is WOW!

Makes me proud to be a member of OCDO :banghead:

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

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I vigorously defended LEO 229 the very first day he posted on this site, and have occasionally done the same since then. Anti-LEO nonsense and bigotry is juvenile and annoying. Perhaps just as important,it is counter-productive to our cause. LEO's are individuals, and should be judged individually (just as I wish to be judged)

With that said, if LEO sent the private message to Sherriff that was posted, thenI join the callfor John and/or Mike to please ask LEO 229 to take a leave of absence from his moderator duties to regain his bearings. Moderators should act with integrity and impartialty. Perhaps this is too much to ask of LEO 229 at this time - if he did send that privatemessage.

 

[Sheriff]

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SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

Perhaps this is too much to ask of LEO 229 at this time - if he did send that privatemessage.

Check your PM.Then respond.

 

[LEO 229]

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I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

Ibecame veryupset at PVC for hisuse of aderogatory term and we have spoken about this. I have apologised to him for any misunderstanding and he has accepted.

I am not defending the actions of the officers involved. I just did not like the story being titled as it was andposted with little information for some type of independent verification.

Perhaps, I did over react... but I felt strongly about something and stepped up to speak my mind as some othershere have done in the past. Some members took it the wrong way and others attempted to exploit it

John has advised that Iam entitled to speak my mind here even if some members would not like hearing my opinion.

 

[SouthernBoy]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

Ibecame veryupset at PVC for hisuse of aderogatory term and we have spoken about this. I have apologised to him for any misunderstanding and he has accepted.

I am not defending the actions of the officers involved. I just did not like the story being titled as it was andposted with little information for some type of independent verification.

Perhaps, I did over react... but I felt strongly about something and stepped up to speak my mind as some othershere have done in the past. Some members took it the wrong way and others attempted to exploit it

John has advised that Iam entitled to speak my mind here even if some members would not like hearing my opinion.

I have scanned this thread without reading in detail the many postings. It seems from most of what I saw that LEO229 comported himself quite well. Never hurts to have all of the factual ammo before going off the deep end, eh?

Gentlemen. We are all in this together so infighting is not only devisive, but sends the wrong message to both anti's and those who might befriend us.

On a different note, maybe tomorrow will bring a decision from SCOTUS regarding the Heller case. I've been on needles this week.

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix. So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

So, that's the reason! The incident was no big deal then.

Andwe have no reason to be the least bit upsetconsidering these circumstances.

Shame on us!

 

[Deanimator]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!!

Wow, I imagine that the lawsuit is going to hit them really hard.

Gee, that's too bad...

 

[peter nap]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

Ibecame veryupset at PVC for hisuse of aderogatory term and we have spoken about this. I have apologised to him for any misunderstanding and he has accepted.

I am not defending the actions of the officers involved. I just did not like the story being titled as it was andposted with little information for some type of independent verification.

Perhaps, I did over react... but I felt strongly about something and stepped up to speak my mind as some othershere have done in the past. Some members took it the wrong way and others attempted to exploit it

John has advised that Iam entitled to speak my mind here even if some members would not like hearing my opinion.

229, I disagreed with much of what you said. That's not unusual. Disagreement and hatred are two entirely different things.
I am not going to be very proud of this thread when it's spread over the entire net.

A few posts down, it says "We're all in this together".
Tomorrow, we may well have one of the most important Supreme Court Decisions ever made in this country. If we win and I think we will, it wasn't because everyone was at each others throat.

I would like to apologize for my part in this!

 

[bobernet]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

How does a "rookie" make sargeant? The info disseminated was clear that the supervisor on duty was called and apparently allowed everything to proceed.

That doesn't sound like a "rookie" on the street making a mistake due to lack of experience.

Sounds like a bunch of excuses and after the fact CYA to me. (On the part of the department, not you personally.)

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

Ibecame veryupset at PVC for hisuse of aderogatory term and we have spoken about this. I have apologised to him for any misunderstanding and he has accepted.

I am not defending the actions of the officers involved. I just did not like the story being titled as it was andposted with little information for some type of independent verification.

Perhaps, I did over react... but I felt strongly about something and stepped up to speak my mind as some othershere have done in the past. Some members took it the wrong way and others attempted to exploit it

John has advised that Iam entitled to speak my mind here even if some members would not like hearing my opinion.

bobernet wrote:

Sounds like a bunch of excuses and after the fact CYA to me. (On the part of the department, not you personally.)

Deanimator wrote:

Wow, I imagine that the lawsuit is going to hit them really hard.

Gee, that's too bad...

It probably will now. Because the WHY it took place is common knowledge now. I'm sure the plaintiff's attorney will see it in print here.

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

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SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

I vigorously defended LEO 229 the very first day he posted on this site, and have occasionally done the same since then. Anti-LEO nonsense and bigotry is juvenile and annoying. Perhaps just as important,it is counter-productive to our cause. LEO's are individuals, and should be judged individually (just as I wish to be judged)

With that said, if LEO sent the private message to Sherriff that was posted, thenI join the callfor John and/or Mike to please ask LEO 229 to take a leave of absence from his moderator duties to regain his bearings. Moderators should act with integrity and impartialty. Perhaps this is too much to ask of LEO 229 at this time - if he did send that privatemessage.

Sheriff: It isn't much of a private message if you tell everyone you sent me a private message, then publicly ask me to respond. I'm not interested in taking sides nor publicly responding to private messages.

I love opencarry.org and I love the second amendment (among other things). That's the only reason I made a suggestion in the first place.

I should have been more clear in my original post - I have no idea what, if anything,precipitated LEO 229's private message to Sheriff.The whole context is possibly quite important. Maybe my post (found above) was too broad.The most honorablesolution might would be forLEO 229 to voluntarily agree to recuse himself from moderating just this one thread (but still participate in it, please!), much like a judge would do if there was even the appearance of a conflict in some peoples minds.

FYI: The decision in Heller will be announced shortly after 10am....

 

[Sheriff]

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SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

Sheriff: It isn't much of a private message if you tell everyone you sent me a private message, then ask me to resond publicly.

You are the second or third person in this subject who has questioned whether I actually receivedthe PMor not. I have no reason to lie or fabricate anything.

And I agree, since LEO229 works for the named department, perhaps he should have stepped aside as far as moderatingTHISthread.

 

[Deanimator]

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Sheriff wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

I have learned that the entire squad including the supervisor are young officers with littlestreet experience. It is very odd for an entiresquad to be filled with so many rookies!!! Normally, there are some seasoned guys and some old timers in the mix.

So, upon hearing this I can see how this could have had an opportunity to have happened.

Ibecame veryupset at PVC for hisuse of aderogatory term and we have spoken about this. I have apologised to him for any misunderstanding and he has accepted.

I am not defending the actions of the officers involved. I just did not like the story being titled as it was andposted with little information for some type of independent verification.

Perhaps, I did over react... but I felt strongly about something and stepped up to speak my mind as some othershere have done in the past. Some members took it the wrong way and others attempted to exploit it

John has advised that Iam entitled to speak my mind here even if some members would not like hearing my opinion.

bobernet wrote:

Sounds like a bunch of excuses and after the fact CYA to me. (On the part of the department, not you personally.)

Deanimator wrote:

Wow, I imagine that the lawsuit is going to hit them really hard.

Gee, that's too bad...

It probably will now. Because the WHY it took place is common knowledge now. I'm sure the plaintiff's attorney will see it in print here.

If not, somebody ought to send it to him, I mean in the spirit of full disclosure...

 

[GLENGLOCKER]

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Sheriff wrote:

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

Sheriff: It isn't much of a private message if you tell everyone you sent me a private message, then ask me to resond publicly.

You are the second or third person in this subject who has questioned whether I actually receivedthe PMor not. I have no reason to lie or fabricate anything.

And I agree, since LEO229 works for the named department, perhaps he should have stepped aside as far as moderatingTHISthread.

Is it no suprise to anyone that LEO sided with the police in question right away and called PVC's integrety in question?? Always remember police are your "friend" until it comes down to you or one of them. If the incident we're talking about is any indication of his departments standards then we need to keep him here as a mod and off the streets where he may do some real damage.

 

[Sheriff]

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GLENGLOCKER wrote:

Sheriff wrote:
Is it no suprise to anyone that LEO sided with the police in question right away and called PVC's integrety in question?? Always remember police are your "friend" until it comes down to you or one of them. If the incident we're talking about is any indication of his departments standards then we need to keep him here as a mod and off the streets where he may do some real damage.

Agreed. :monkey

 

[John Pierce]

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Please read the following thread.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=12504&forum_id=3

I am closing this thread and would ask that the issue be allowed to move off the page.