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CJ4wd

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Good grief ! Talk about going in circles.
Either the cop missed with the Taser or the perp was so hyped up on something, it kept him going.
Listen to that cops voice when the female officer shows up. He sounds like the crybaby character Bill Pullman played in "Aliens"
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color of law

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Put yourself in his position after killing a guy. Six shots fired and 4 were center mass. There was no saving him. He has been on the force only 2.5 years.
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

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Well i guess he could have stood his ground and got run over and stabbed.

The adrenaline runs very high after a situation like this.

Only in the movies and with psychopaths do people not show emotions after life and death encounters.
 

solus

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Or firearms instructor...since there was prior history with LE regarding the suspect‘s known mental heath history the rookie could’ve stayed in or retreated back to his save SAFE (sry for missing typo initially) haven, his vehicle, and called for assistance to handle a “disturbance call”!

no instead, fire instructor, the rookie ventured out anticipating the suspect would yield and heed and immediately obey the kind LE’s Hollared and unlawful orders to stop!

if a citizen hollars stop to approaching LE(s) waving taser/batons/firearms at the, do those order get immediately heeded - think not!

guess this here is what‘s called in realty - a learning experience which turned out badly for both involved!
 
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Brian D.

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Sergeant Dennis Tueller was the creator of the "21 foot rule". In retrospect some years later he admitted that 7 yards was
likely too close, and modified his position. Another police instructor coined the phrase "Tueller was an optimist" and Dennis didn't disagree.
 

solus

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Alas 40 years ago the cognition & psychophysical factors which researcher(s) couldn’t even fathom let alone begin to know where to begin to ask questions to research...

therefore i am sure nuances to the original concept sure manifested itself...but i have not researched to see if those rebutting the concept were viable & repeatable & peer reviewed ~ if not its hogwash!
 

Michael48632

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NOBODY wants to take a person's life it is not the easiest thing to live with and you will question yourself million of times over if you could have done something else and be guilt ridden for the rest of your life I know as I had friends that had to make that call and one even took his own life because of not being able to live with the feeling SO before you think he is a cry baby walk a mile or better a block in his shoes .
 

solus

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NOBODY wants to take a person's life it is not the easiest thing to live with and you will question yourself million of times over if you could have done something else and be guilt ridden for the rest of your life I know as I had friends that had to make that call and one even took his own life because of not being able to live with the feeling SO before you think he is a cry baby walk a mile or better a block in his shoes .
sorry regarding the loss of your acquaintance and their inability to get benefit from MH oversight...

unfortunately, one of the main consideration(s) why LE agencies concentrate on recruiting/hiring discharged/retired service members as there is already a mental ‘resilience’ to taking of lives.

please realize the psychometric instruments administered to LE recruits are designed to root out mental “cognitive” problem(s) but mislead those who are not in touch of the perceptions of reality after playing ”shoot & kill” video games!

alas, perhaps Officer Porter immediately realized his choices in this life/death situation and he failed in his mind to actually “serve & protect” his community!
 

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Taking a person's life is easy depending on the situation...guilt is not in the vocabulary...depending on the situation...me and mine...the only afterthought would be who will come next after I eliminate a lethal threat...
 

Beretta92fsQueer

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Taking a person's life is easy depending on the situation...guilt is not in the vocabulary...depending on the situation...me and mine...the only afterthought would be who will come next after I eliminate a lethal threat...

Wish I felt that way after shooting someone. I think your approach is a more productive one.

People shouldn't put so much stock in feeling for their attacker. When you put them down, they asked for it.
 

solus

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When mental health issues are in play...they truly didn’t asked for it...

that our society has failed to assure these vulnerable individuals safety within our communities is a disgrace, only exacerbated by LE agencies not training their personal appropriate modalities to deal nonviolently with a citizen’s psychological disturbances/emergencies!!

multiple people hollaring commands, lights blinking/flashing is enough to rattle non psychotic citizens, then there is the ever handy tazer/service firearm being used way to quickly cuz the individual do what the responder(s) were screaming...

ya they asked for it, now didn’t they!
 

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Send a social worker...they are trained to deal with vulnerable individuals...if I am faced with a vulnerable individual and a social worker does show up, before I am forced to react to a threat, I'll not shed a tear for the outcome that transpires...nor will I intervene on the behalf of the social worker...I will be a good witness...
 

color of law

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It is not really that difficult to recognize a psychotic episode from someone just being an a$$. And it really does not take a lot of training to deal with violent episodes. The problem is most police officers don't have the mental bent in dealing with such mental psychotic episodes. Their training does not include compassion. Compassion could get them killed. Many large police forces have trained negotiators, but that does not help then a cop over reacts.
JMHO
 
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