The Open Carry Report

[DocWalker]

NO POLICE were seen at the event, though I would guess they had plain clothes personnel somewhere. Event staff was unarmed. Had there been a nut case I wonder what their plans were to stop him?????

Ask you for your help.....

 

[We-the-People]

Ask you for your help.....

That would be problematic as I carry for MY protection. I am not a police officer. Unless it were close enough to be a threat to me, my plan is to remain in place or head in the direction of MY safety (whichever seems most prudent at the time). I have no desire to be mistaken for the BG when the police do arrive.

 

[DaveT319]

Isn't it funny how we like to say that the cops aren't there to protect us, just take reports and clean up the mess; "when seconds count, the cops are minutes away"; and so on and so on; and then we have people who have armed themselves that would actually run the other way rather than try to save lives, because "I'm not a cop"... smh

 

[Grapeshot]

Not my problem? Don't get involved? Look the other way? CYA?

When good people do nothing, then good people lose.

While there is no one answer, no one size fits all, each situation requires an individual assessment and action may be the best course.

I submit several examples (w/o comment) of people who choose to step forward and respond:

http://wtvr.com/2013/03/13/marine-stops-beating/

http://www.guns.com/2014/04/10/armed-detroit-nurse-saves-man-beaten-angry-mob-video/
http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/2...stol-woman-saves-mans-life-angry-detroit-mob/

http://www.akdart.com/gun3.html

 

[solus]

great links grape...thanks...

ipse

 

[We-the-People]

Others disagree with my position and that's fine, it's your life and your decision. Personally, I refuse to risk my life to save those who have done nothing to ensure their own safety and have, in fact, allowed what they did have to be eroded by delusional thinking. The state has NEVER been able to protect us from evil and yet the masses have bought into the delusion and allowed themselves to be prey. That's their problem.

Now, if it were innocent children in a school or on a bus, I would have a hard time just walking away and likely wouldn't. But those are innocent children, already the victims of the adults in society who have turned them into prey. An individual being accosted on the street, same thing. A cop in a firefight, probably, but to go towards an active shooter when I neither know who they are or what the situation is? Nope, sorry, I'm more likely to become a target for the police than to stop the shooter by running randomly own the ______ looking for him. Those people made their bed, they can lay in it and wait until the police they rely upon arrive. I believe it's called evolution.....or perhaps chlorine for the gene pool.

Some might find that kind of thinking hard to reconcile with a willingness to stand with those like Cliven Bundy (no I did not make it there). You see, here's the difference.....Mr. Bundy is standing for us all, not knuckling under and allowing yet another federal growth spurt with it's attendant loss of freedom and liberty. He is NOT one that has allowed himself to become prey.

In the interest of not hijacking the Open Carry Report any further, if anyone wants to discuss or debate this topic, please create a new thread.....and feel free to invite me to it.

 

[Rusty Young Man]

Isn't it funny how we like to say that the cops aren't there to protect us, just take reports and clean up the mess; "when seconds count, the cops are minutes away"; and so on and so on; and then we have people who have armed themselves that would actually run the other way rather than try to save lives, because "I'm not a cop"... smh

I've made my decision, just like you have made yours, and We-the-People and others on this forum have made theirs.
It is a PERSONAL decision just like, and along with, OC and the decision to carry a sidearm.

The rule I have made for myself regarding the "sheepdog" or "white knight" mentality: I'm not likely to get involved if it isn't my life or the lives of my loved ones on the line. I WILL do my best to be a good witness and will call 911 to alert LEOs.

I probably would make an exception for children as they are only innocent human beings among us (IMO). The same is not likely for other people, who would have had the same opportunity that I did to:
1) Buy a sidearm
2) Carry said sidearm

Any exceptions to my personal rule will be done on a case-by-case basis.

P.S.: A corollary to my rule is: in order to respect the opinions of antis, my sidearm will not be used in their defense, but I will still attempt to be a good witness so that the bad guy can be caught after committing the crime (as antis seem to favor).

 

[Rusty Young Man]

SNIP...In the interest of not hijacking the Open Carry Report any further, if anyone wants to discuss or debate this topic, please create a new thread.....and feel free to invite me to it.

At least one other thread was almost "derailed/hijacked" regarding the same topic, and some of the same players (including myself).

DaveT319, if you would like to make a thread, I will contribute my above post (#927) to it.
It may be a good venture, seeing as a good discussion on the subject could cause people to really consider what choice they'd make. After all, it's best to decide NOW while we have the time and mental capacity to rationalize than to wait until the moment comes and freeze up.

 

[DocWalker]

That would be problematic as I carry for MY protection. I am not a police officer. Unless it were close enough to be a threat to me, my plan is to remain in place or head in the direction of MY safety (whichever seems most prudent at the time). I have no desire to be mistaken for the BG when the police do arrive.

I didn't say you had to help the unarmed security staff if there was a nut shooting up the place. I simply replied to the question about what would the event staff do in the event a nut was shooting up the place.

You can't tell me if there was a bad guy with a gun and you are unarmed you would not go in the direction of the "good guys" with guns and away from the "bad guy" with a gun.

Being armed you have the right to defend yourself only or you have the right to act in the defense of others, this is your choice. You also have the right to stop and give aid to a injured person (say a car wreck) before anyone else arrives or you can keep on trucking and let them die, this is your choice and nobody will tell you you have to help anyone...except for the goverment and they just want your money and indetive service for life.

 

[mjcromp]

Last weekend was all over Newport with no issues.
This weekend in Washington and Portland area.

Had no issues until I went to the Zoo.

After being there for about 30 minutes or so I was quietly asked to step behind a gate with 3 security officers. They asked if I had a CDL and I responded with " no I can't drive a big truck but I do have a CHL."They realized the mistake and laughed and asked to see it. They said a PDX officer was enroute and should be there to check me out. The asked very politely if I would CC for the duration of my visit and told them I would have to move my gun from holster to my back and if they were prepared for me to do so and they were not. They requested I wait for the officer and thanked me for asking before going for my gun. Officer for whatever reason never showed so they took my name and gave back my CHL and then ok'd me moving my pistol. Nice slow movements after they were all watching and they let me on my way.

They mentioned they had numerous complaints about it and thanked me for CC.
I was surprised it took them that long

They asked if I saw the sign out front and I told them I did and the way it's written I had my CHL and therefore OC because of it.
Everything was like they have done this many times!

Good interaction.

 

[Dave H.]

As long as you have a chl, you do not have to cc, the zoo is a publicly owned area.
They nor the police cannot make you cc and cannot do anything about it.
I would like to see the sign they have posted , bet it isn't even enforceable, unless you don't have a chl, then you must carry it unloaded due to Portland`s carry law. .

 

[Cremator75]

If I were in your shoes I would have just said "no thanks" and gone about my business. Metro has zero enforcement of gun laws including asking for ID. Its has been hashed out with them several times. If the cops show up, then they show up. You're still not breaking any laws and they cannot detain you for that.

 

[Grapeshot]

Last weekend was all over Newport with no issues.
This weekend in Washington and Portland area.

Had no issues until I went to the Zoo.
--snipped--

Good interaction.

Well, not so much so. They made you hide that nasty gun.....and you showed appreciation for their being nice.

 

[Lord Sega]

mjcromp,

Dang-it, just went through this with the Oregon Zoo last July 2013.

Oregon Zoo Letter (thread)

Front sign photos are included in the OP, #16 has the response e-mail.

 

[Grapeshot]

mjcromp,

Dang-it, just went through this with the Oregon Zoo last July 2013.

Oregon Zoo Letter (thread)

Front sign photos are included in the OP, #16 has the response e-mail.

First they have to care what you think AND have intentions of following the law.

Think someone will have to smack them in the wallet before they begin to understand.

 

[DocWalker]

Last weekend was all over Newport with no issues.
This weekend in Washington and Portland area.

Had no issues until I went to the Zoo.

After being there for about 30 minutes or so I was quietly asked to step behind a gate with 3 security officers. They asked if I had a CDL and I responded with " no I can't drive a big truck but I do have a CHL."They realized the mistake and laughed and asked to see it. They said a PDX officer was enroute and should be there to check me out. The asked very politely if I would CC for the duration of my visit and told them I would have to move my gun from holster to my back and if they were prepared for me to do so and they were not. They requested I wait for the officer and thanked me for asking before going for my gun. Officer for whatever reason never showed so they took my name and gave back my CHL and then ok'd me moving my pistol. Nice slow movements after they were all watching and they let me on my way.

They mentioned they had numerous complaints about it and thanked me for CC.
I was surprised it took them that long

They asked if I saw the sign out front and I told them I did and the way it's written I had my CHL and therefore OC because of it.
Everything was like they have done this many times!

Good interaction.

Your a good surf...and do what you are told.

 

[We-the-People]

Sounds like the locals need to organize a zoo OC day.

 

[AZRobert]

Sounds like the locals need to organize a zoo OC day.

Sounds good to me, the weather has been super nice lately.

 

[bwboley]

Oc at the dmv off 82nd ave in Portland and walmart in happy valley with no issues. Some looks at the dmv

 

[Ironbar]

Wow. Interesting to see that my thread is still going strong after 38 pages.

You know what you guys should try? Get a bunch of yourselves together with your AR and AK pattern rifles and just, you know, walk into a fast food joint for lunch. I think that would be a great idea!