Spooked a LEO while OCing

[skidmark]

Additional "challenge" to those desiring to not display a tag while on private property---- for those with "handicap" tags---- could you just allow the "handicap" portion to show and have the stickers/letters/numbers covered and still park in the "handicap" stalls?

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-716

stay sasfe.

 

[JoeSparky]

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-716

stay sasfe.

However, since one is not required as far as I know to even register a vehicle and have "tags" except to legally use said vehicle upon the public roads and highways.... How can they enforce the law you linked on private property that is not a public road or highway?

 

[Grapeshot]

However, since one is not required as far as I know to even register a vehicle and have "tags" except to legally use said vehicle upon the public roads and highways.... How can they enforce the law you linked on private property that is not a public road or highway?

Because the statute says they can. Further state agency regulations have the force of law + individual municipalities may pass ordinances that have an impact.

Do you have a late model, preferably new, Mercedes Benz, that can be used as a test case for this?

 

[peter nap]

Most VA localities have junk car ordinances that require vehicles to be licensed and inspected. . thankfully we farmers are exempted from them.

 

[MKEgal]

Cop was doing his job, nothing more, all within the duties of his job as a LEO.
Tag came back clean (not stolen, wanted, etc.) and probably a local address. Had the vehicle just been taken in a car jacking, and now the driver went in and shot up a pharmacy for Oxycontin everyone would have been screaming about the lazy inept cop that didn't do his job.

So because of the very few cars which are stolen, and the very few people who walk into a pharmacy to rob it, you think it's OK for the police to search the rest of us "just in case"??
No. It's a waste of time, resources, etc., as well as being questionable legally.

are you saying that a cop needs RAS/PC relating to the status of registered ownership and/or vehicle registration (payment of the excise tax) in order to run a plate?

Yes.




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[Jon34511]

So because of the very few cars which are stolen, and the very few people who walk into a pharmacy to rob it, you think it's OK for the police to search the rest of us "just in case"??
No. It's a waste of time, resources, etc., as well as being questionable legally.


Yes.




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How is it legally questionable? The courts have ruled running plates is a practice police can engage in without reasonable suspicion.

 

[WalkingWolf]

How is it legally questionable? The courts have ruled running plates is a practice police can engage in without reasonable suspicion.

It is if the officer is using the information other than law enforcement related. So since no laws were being broken, no RAS, on private property was it law enforcement related. Or did he just want to find out where the female half lives?

 

[Jon34511]

It is if the officer is using the information other than law enforcement related. So since no laws were being broken, no RAS, on private property was it law enforcement related. Or did he just want to find out where the female half lives?

Sounds like an awful lot of speculation to reach the conclusion the officer was doing something legally questionable.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Sounds like an awful lot of speculation to reach the conclusion the officer was doing something legally questionable.

We just don't know, but we do know it has and can be done. Women have even stalked by some officers missing moral standards, we also know the statistics from CATO institute on GP and police. It is a clear problem. As a tax payer I would prefer that officers spend my money on actual crime.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/08/31/legislation-aims-to-end-police-abuse-privileged-information/

Some police officers are using the Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN) — a computer system developed to help fight crime — to spy on the general public for their own personal gain.

"They've taken advantage of an information source that we have provided them to do good police work, and they've used it for their own purposes," Jeff Sauter of the LEIN Oversight Board said. "It's wrong."

State police know of more than 90 cases of abuse in the last five years.

One is even part of a murder investigation. A state trooper has admitted to using LEIN to check up on his estranged wife. He may have hired someone to kill her, according to police.

 

[Jon34511]

We just don't know, but we do know it has and can be done. Women have even stalked by some officers missing moral standards, we also know the statistics from CATO institute on GP and police. It is a clear problem. As a tax payer I would prefer that officers spend my money on actual crime.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/08/31/legislation-aims-to-end-police-abuse-privileged-information/

Some police officers are using the Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN) — a computer system developed to help fight crime — to spy on the general public for their own personal gain.

"They've taken advantage of an information source that we have provided them to do good police work, and they've used it for their own purposes," Jeff Sauter of the LEIN Oversight Board said. "It's wrong."

State police know of more than 90 cases of abuse in the last five years.

One is even part of a murder investigation. A state trooper has admitted to using LEIN to check up on his estranged wife. He may have hired someone to kill her, according to police.

And you think the police don't fight "actual" crime by running license plates randomly? If you want to throw stats out there look at the many wanted people/missing persons recovered by using ALPR, which is basically the same as random license plate checks.

You should sleep well knowing every time an officer runs a plate it is recorded and he/she could have to answer as to why the plate was ran, which is good.

 

[WalkingWolf]

And you think the police don't fight "actual" crime by running license plates randomly? If you want to throw stats out there look at the many wanted people/missing persons recovered by using ALPR, which is basically the same as random license plate checks.

You should sleep well knowing every time an officer runs a plate it is recorded and he/she could have to answer as to why the plate was ran, which is good.

And you don't think some police commit crimes? I sleep good because I am prepared to defend myself and my loved ones. I am not one of the kool aid drinkers who believe the state will wipe my a$$ for me.

 

[XD40sc]

However, since one is not required as far as I know to even register a vehicle and have "tags" except to legally use said vehicle upon the public roads and highways.... How can they enforce the law you linked on private property that is not a public road or highway?

So every-time you pull into private parking lots, feel free to jump out an remove your tag, or cover it up with something, after all you won't need it again for at least 5 minutes when you again pull back out onto a public highway or street.

 

[onegig]

Don't flip out but your license plate is Commonwealth and DMV property. S46.2-713. Furthermore the information contained on your plate is in plain view. The associated vehicle, registration, and owner information may be obtained for "a law enforcement purpose". This includes something as simple as verifying current registration, appropriate decals, or even stolen plates or vehicle. Regardless though the courts have held multiple times accessing the information from the plate is not a fourth amendment violation and an officer can run the tags.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Don't flip out but your license plate is Commonwealth and DMV property. S46.2-713. Furthermore the information contained on your plate is in plain view. The associated vehicle, registration, and owner information may be obtained for "a law enforcement purpose". This includes something as simple as verifying current registration, appropriate decals, or even stolen plates or vehicle. Regardless though the courts have held multiple times accessing the information from the plate is not a fourth amendment violation and an officer can run the tags.

Unless he is doing it for non law enforcement related searches, such as finding the hot girls name and address. If you do not think that takes place I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Grapeshot]

Don't flip out but your license plate is Commonwealth and DMV property. S46.2-713. Furthermore the information contained on your plate is in plain view. The associated vehicle, registration, and owner information may be obtained for "a law enforcement purpose". This includes something as simple as verifying current registration, appropriate decals, or even stolen plates or vehicle. Regardless though the courts have held multiple times accessing the information from the plate is not a fourth amendment violation and an officer can run the tags.

Most correct.

P.S. Been a long time between your posts.

 

[peter nap]

Interesting story in the news today....The original is old news but continues. While it doesn't bother me much because I don't have a CHP and even if I did, I have a lot of mud on my plates, it should scare you ChiPpers all to hell. A few years ago there was a bill to keep CHP information from out of state police, but it died a quiet death. But even if you throw out the out of state cops...plenty run the plates here to look for gun owners.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/gun-owners-fear-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/

John Tonnesen IV of Lake Worth, Florida, was pulled over and arrested after a search of his work truck — by the same officer who stopped Mr. Filippidis — turned up his .45-caliber Ruger, licensed in the state of Florida. He doesn’t believe the stop was coincidental.
“It was unloaded and stuffed into a bag far from me,” Mr. Tonnesen told The Times. “There’s scanners in Maryland that scan every tag, and Florida is one of their target vehicles. They’ll find whatever reason they can to pull you over.”