Sooo, Carrying your unload AR15 isnt cool?

[Save Our State]

It's a crying shame that the PRK has not joined the rest of the United States and allowed not only it's criminals but also it's law abiding citizens to have a right to self defense. I am not sure what exemptions to the new law would allow you to carry a plastic club made by glock (or one of different materials or manufacturer, etc). If I were to open carry a long gun in the PRK it would be an AR, or similar semi auto with detachable magazines to allow it to be loaded and used more quickly than my bolt action hunting rifles with integral magazines.

I do have to wonder with the PRK's restrictive stance on the evil assault rifle, what is the definition of an AR in the PRK? My personal AR has a couple evil gun features that are disapproved of there, in addition to this I only own 30 round magazines.

I have to agree that carrying an unloaded AR15 isn"t cool, but I feel that way about carrying any unloaded gun.

Yes, I believe that the legislative powers that be have a war against self defense, and not just guns per se. Cases in point are all the basic implements that have been associated with defense or offense. Remembering the legislative action taken to outlaw the Nunchaku back in the 70's. Two sticks on a string....What more do you need to see? And you couldn't just split it down, because then you have two billy clubs instead.
But you're wrong about the rest of the US having a right to self-defense. Lots of other states have gone the way of, or even way past, California in that regard. New york state, and especially its' muscle flexing city, New York, have just about stripped a law abiding citizen of any form of defense possible

 

[Mike]

Seems to me that the California has expressed a policy choice for long guns carry in urban areas so let's follow the law - meanwhile, loaded and unloaded handgun open carry remains lawful in public on foot and in vehicles in the unincorporated territories of California except where the County has banned all shooting.

Perhaps for urban areas a shorter barreled long gun wuold be best, easier to control, sling, etc.

 

[wildhawker]

Seems to me that the California has expressed a policy choice for long guns carry in urban areas so let's follow the law - meanwhile, loaded and unloaded handgun open carry remains lawful in public on foot and in vehicles in the unincorporated territories of California except where the County has banned all shooting.

Perhaps for urban areas a shorter barreled long gun wuold be best, easier to control, sling, etc.

Mike,

Perhaps if those who promote such activity were willing to put their own money and time on the line to defend and/or advocate for the people who rely on the recommendation to open carry long guns in California at this time...

I'd suggest everyone read our AB 144 FAQs before January, 2012, and stay safe (and out of jail, please).

-Brandon

 

[EXTREMEOPS1]

No intentions of going to jail for the cause....

Mike,

Perhaps if those who promote such activity were willing to put their own money and time on the line to defend and/or advocate for the people who rely on the recommendation to open carry long guns in California at this time...

I'd suggest everyone read our AB 144 FAQs before January, 2012, and stay safe (and out of jail, please).

-Brandon

If the LGUOCers follow everything to the letter of the law then no one will be going to jail for the cause..LGUOC will be practiced by the few who have the weapons to do so....I carry my shotgun daily and my AR on occasion on a tactical sling whichever takes my fancy and have had no PD encounters to date (Maybe it's my prior military training, stealth or just sheer luck.....whichever is keeping me safe I'm happy for ) I'd like to know, what if anything a previous handgun UOCer has for recourse if they are attacked, mugged,raped etc while not being in possession of a weapon ? Maybe governor moonbeam or Mr Portantino need to be put on notice to expect a personal lawsuit in the event of an unarmed UOCer being harmed due to the passing of AB144 .....a thought to ponder.

 

[wildhawker]

If the LGUOCers follow everything to the letter of the law then no one will be going to jail for the cause..

With all due respect, that's an extraordinarily naive assertion. "Defending innocent California gun owners" is not a slogan.

-Brandon

 

[wolfeinstein]

I say go for it !!! The anti-crowd was trying to ban guns long before open carry. There is nothing law abiding gun owners can do help our image and convert the anti-gun crowd. So open carrying a long gun isnt going to make matters worse.

The way I see it is CA bans open carry of long guns due to someone open carrying an AR then gun owners didnt really lose anything because hardly anyone open carrys anyway.

I never understood the logic of Cal Guns when they told people to NOT open carry because it might get banned. I mean, if no one open carries then who cares if it gets banned ?

A good statement is made when people flex their rights and show the authority that we are armed.

I will be completely honest and say I love open carries video taping their encounters with police and making police look like fools and morons (in addition to violators of the consitution).

Full disclosure I must say that I moved out of California and I now live in a free state so I dont care what CA does with their gun laws anymore.

Brother, i couldn't agree more with your statement! You are right on the money!!!!

 

[Dutchman]

Again,
one hundred and sixteen (116) distinct exemptions, AB144 does not really stop to many from UOC'ing a handgun.

READ THE LAW, KNOW THE LAW

If I could I would prefer laughing in your face at such a ridiculous statement.

Distinct exemptions, huh? You mean like 105 and 106? Yeah, those are real distinct. Yes, AB144 really does stop many/most from open carrying an unloaded handgun. Those 116 points are not truly exemptions that can be utilized by Joe Citizen unless he falls into one of the MANY protected classes cited among the 116 points.

107 is another useful exemption that we can all utilize in our daily practice of bearing arms. And let's not forget 109. That one certainly belongs in our repertoire of useful and distinct exemptions doesn't it?

I could go on and on but it's pointless. You aren't doing a very good job of masking your disdain for your fellow citizens who wish to walk in liberty. You use ridicule and arrogance as a weapon against them. I would prefer you use intellectual integrity instead.

Why don't you list the many exemptions that are of practical value to the unwashed masses?

Dutch
Siskiyou Co.

 

[EXTREMEOPS1]

Don't know where you got that assertion from

With all due respect, that's an extraordinarily naive assertion. "Defending innocent California gun owners" is not a slogan.

-Brandon

The open carry movement has had to regroup and rethink its strategy in california the exemptions though workable are a minefield waiting to happen with possibility of arrests and jail time for offenders.Various supporters of UOC have passed on their own 2 cents worth , one item passed to me by C3 was not to carry my AR. I took his advice and carried my shotgun only but now after seeing that other carriers are carrying everything from mosin, lee enfields, ak varients to name a few I carry my AR. Since doing this I do get various stares by unarmed citizens although no one has actually ran away screaming, the terrified look on some of their faces is way worse than any reaction I had while open carrying any of my handguns.
While handgun carrying my interaction with the general public had been very positive but since being forced to open carry my long guns I have found that the interaction isn't there. So lets just hope the litigation is successful our rights to bear and carry are resolved and maybe loaded open carry of handguns become the norm ( we can hope as its good enough for PD) but until then I'll stick to carrying my long guns and protecting myself and my family with the lawful available methods forced upon us by governor moonbeam and his cronies. Carry on and be safe out there.

 

[ConditionThree]

If I could I would prefer laughing in your face at such a ridiculous statement.

Distinct exemptions, huh? You mean like 105 and 106? Yeah, those are real distinct. Yes, AB144 really does stop many/most from open carrying an unloaded handgun. Those 116 points are not truly exemptions that can be utilized by Joe Citizen unless he falls into one of the MANY protected classes cited among the 116 points.

107 is another useful exemption that we can all utilize in our daily practice of bearing arms. And let's not forget 109. That one certainly belongs in our repertoire of useful and distinct exemptions doesn't it?

I could go on and on but it's pointless. You aren't doing a very good job of masking your disdain for your fellow citizens who wish to walk in liberty. You use ridicule and arrogance as a weapon against them. I would prefer you use intellectual integrity instead.

Why don't you list the many exemptions that are of practical value to the unwashed masses?

Dutch
Siskiyou Co.

I already have. See the thread on nullifying AB144/PC26350. There are 12 that are easily reachable by the unwashed masses and 2 or 3 are pretty solid alternatives to long gun open carry.

 

[Dutchman]

I already have. See the thread on nullifying AB144/PC26350. There are 12 that are easily reachable by the unwashed masses and 2 or 3 are pretty solid alternatives to long gun open carry.

I guess you missed the part about being "practical". Which of these do you utilize on your weightloss walks?

It's all fun and games to discuss these 116 "exemptions" and then pick 12 that you feel are breechable. But they are not breechable if you don't practice what you preach.

I'm interested in the practical applications, not fantasy.


Dutch

 

[ConditionThree]

I guess you missed the part about being "practical". Which of these do you utilize on your weightloss walks?

It's all fun and games to discuss these 116 "exemptions" and then pick 12 that you feel are breechable. But they are not breechable if you don't practice what you preach.

I'm interested in the practical applications, not fantasy.


Dutch

I had and have no need to utilize an exemption while walking in my neighborhood. The law does not govern unincorporated territory where discharge has not been prohibited. Loaded and unloaded open carry is unaffected here.

While transporting inside city limits I have used a secure locking case- which is one of the exemptions. The only places I cannot go are public buildings (gov), postal property and onto school grounds. I can dine with my handgun in a restaurant directly adjacent to a school if I wanted, which is more than I can say of my friends who are pushing long gun open carry who must carefully plan around the Federal restriction that requires long guns to be locked up. The other benefit to this method is that since this is so discrete, I do not have strangers dialling 911 to report my whereabouts and have to endure the incovenience of being detained and having my property seized by law enforcement. Even if I did have contact with police, without being able to see that I was armed, they have no way to demand a 25800(b) check for loaded condition unless I tell them that I have a firearm. Granted, it is not open carry- but by definition, it isn't concealed carry either.

In review;

I can go more places (To or from a motor vehicle)
I have no/few muzzle or retention issues
People dont call the police on me.
I dont have regular police encounters.
Police dont demand a (b) check.
Police dont get to search my serial numbers without probable cause.

Please tell me how this is less practical than transporting a long gun;

Avoiding school zones.
Concentrating on issues with muzzle control and retention concerns.
Having strangers report you to police.
Having police encounters every time you go out.
Complying with a (b) check.
Having your 4th amendment rights violated.

I do plan on using one or more of the other exemptions, but I have another 'iron' in the fire that I do not wish to get cold.

 

[wildhawker]

Let me ask you this: what is the "strategy"? What was the "strategy"? How is or has been the "strategy" re-thought, and why?

strat·e·gy
[strat-i-jee]
noun, plural -gies.

1. Also, strategics. the science or art of combining and employing the means of war in planning and directing large military movements and operations.

2. the use or an instance of using this science or art.

3. skillful use of a stratagem: The salesperson's strategy was to seem always to agree with the customer.

4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems forobtaining a specific goal or result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world.

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Unloaded Open Carry has always been a "minefield". There've been plenty of arrests, improper searches and seizures, and limitless harassment of law-abiding gun owners by law enforcement to prove it.

-Brandon

The open carry movement has had to regroup and rethink its strategy in california the exemptions though workable are a minefield waiting to happen with possibility of arrests and jail time for offenders.Various supporters of UOC have passed on their own 2 cents worth , one item passed to me by C3 was not to carry my AR. I took his advice and carried my shotgun only but now after seeing that other carriers are carrying everything from mosin, lee enfields, ak varients to name a few I carry my AR. Since doing this I do get various stares by unarmed citizens although no one has actually ran away screaming, the terrified look on some of their faces is way worse than any reaction I had while open carrying any of my handguns.
While handgun carrying my interaction with the general public had been very positive but since being forced to open carry my long guns I have found that the interaction isn't there. So lets just hope the litigation is successful our rights to bear and carry are resolved and maybe loaded open carry of handguns become the norm ( we can hope as its good enough for PD) but until then I'll stick to carrying my long guns and protecting myself and my family with the lawful available methods forced upon us by governor moonbeam and his cronies. Carry on and be safe out there.