Someone remind me about "school zones"

[xc9subcompact]

The problem is that even today, I have no way to know if I would be within 1000' of the school property. I don't see signs surrounding the perimeter of the schools. I googled "Maplewood schools" and got a map, but that didnt include the parochials.
One of those cases addressed that fact. The others did not.
If the government were to put up maps of the GFSZ's in the US, with the zones circled, like they do for FAA temporary flight restrictions, we could tell very quickly.
But that would be so "in your face" that it would make more people mad about it and there would be some legislative backlash.

 

[cshoff]

Uhm, I will have to disagree with this just a little bit. No I do not think the FBI is following folks around waiting to pounce, however, I offer that if the Maplewood Walmart location had been within 1000 feet of a school, they would have hit Darrow with it since they were so desperately searching for ANYTHING to hit him with to pretty much no avail.

I don't know for sure, but it seems that Lancers mentioned he had a CCW permit in his original post regarding the Maplewood incident. If it was a MO permit, then it would have been a moot point.

Considering the implications that are derived from it, a federal felony will eliminate your gun rights, I would recommend that folks opting to open carry pay VERY close attention to this as it will cost a LOT to defend and it very well might stick in a hard way.

Some things, IMO, are just not worth the hassle. Walking into a school with an exposed gun, for example, even with the MO permit, IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE because you know ahead of time how law enforcement is going to react to such a situation. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't have the time, desire, or the money to spend "proving myself right" in court over this kind of thing.

 

[Shooter64738]

Uhm, I will have to disagree with this just a little bit. No I do not think the FBI is following folks around waiting to pounce, however, I offer that if the Maplewood Walmart location had been within 1000 feet of a school, they would have hit Darrow with it since they were so desperately searching for ANYTHING to hit him with to pretty much no avail.

Considering the implications that are derived from it, a federal felony will eliminate your gun rights, I would recommend that folks opting to open carry pay VERY close attention to this as it will cost a LOT to defend and it very well might stick in a hard way.

I'm not disagreeing there. Thats why I think it something to be aware of. I just dont want to give the impression that every local LEO knows about 922(q) and is just itcing to get the feds to charge you.

In the situation you cite, yes, it very well could have led to a school zone charge. Much the same way the other cases did.

I guess I'm trying to get the point accross about school zones, but I dont want to encite paranoia.:shocker:

 

[xc9subcompact]

It was a FL as I recall.

 

[LMTD]

Some things, IMO, are just not worth the hassle. Walking into a school with an exposed gun, for example, even with the MO permit, IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE because you know ahead of time how law enforcement is going to react to such a situation. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't have the time, desire, or the money to spend "proving myself right" in court over this kind of thing.

While I agree 100%, my perspective is literally a school I could throw a baseball from my drive way and likely land it on their property. I would guess it is under 300' while the building might be further, the property almost backs up to mine.

Last week with the tornado stuff going on, coupled with myself being a spotter, I walked up the street open carrying to get a view from around a tree line as to what the wall cloud was doing and reporting it back to the national weather service. I am sure I was within 100' of the property and I drive within 20 every single day, there is no other road out so I have 0 choice in the matter. My next door neighbor was with me out of curiosity.

This is a law that desperately needs changing and it is also likely one full of too much fire to get the politicians out on the limb for it. They will run like the cowards they are when the Brady's start saying they are trying to allow guns in schools which btw they SHOULD!

 

[LMTD]

And for the Brady types reading along, this law has CAUSED shootings!

GUN FREE ZONES

"The Crime Control Act of 1990" was viewed by most as unimportant anti-crime legislation, but the "unintended consequences" have been tragic. It was the "The Crime Control Act of 1990" that established "gun free school zones."

Between the first school killings and the second, 195 years went by without incident. See the list below. Between the Poe Elementary attack and the Stockton School shootings, the "reason" for "gun free school zones," another 30 years went by, with six intervening incidents. In the 225 years between and including the Enoch Brown school massacre and the Stockton shootings there were a total of nine incidents. Since "gun free school zones" were established eighteen years ago, there have been an additional sixty-nine incidents. That is more than seven times as many, in the past 17 years, as in the preceding 225 years. Those sixty-nine incidents account for an additional 142 dead and more than 198 wounded. Apparently psychotics prefer killing zones where no one is likely to shoot back. It is time to do away with "gun free school zones."

July 26, 1764 thriugh May 20, 1988

1. Enoch Brown school massacre - Franklin County, Pennsylvania, July 26, 1764
2. Poe Elementary School Attack - Houston, Texas, September 15, 1959
3. University of Texas at Austin massacre - Austin, Texas, August 1, 1966
4. Jackson State killings - Jackson, Mississippi, May 14-15, 1970
5. California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, July 12, 1976
6. Parkway South Junior High School shooting - Saint Louis, Missouri, January 20, 1983
7. Laurie Dann - Hubbards Woods Elementary School; Winnetka, Illinois, May 20, 1988
8. Stockton massacre - Stockton, California, January 17, 1989

"Gun Free Zones" are now in place.

Most of the following are the "unintended consequences" of gun free school zone legislation. This list is probably incomplete. The use of "School Unknown" in the list below means that the article, or data base, the information was drawn from did not provide the name of the school in question.

1. University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, November 1, 1991
2. Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting - Great Barrington, Massachusetts, December 14, 1992
3. Montclair High School shooting - Montclair, California, October 18, 1995
4. Richland High School shooting - Lynnville, Tennessee, November 15, 1995
5. Frontier Junior High shooting - Moses Lake, Washington, February 2, 1996
6. School Unknown shooting, St. Louis, Missouri, February 29, 1996
7. School Unknown shooting, Atlanta, Georgia, September 25, 1996
8. School Unknown shooting, St. Louis, Missouri, October 31, 1996
9. School Unknown shooting, West Palm Beach, Florida, January 27, 1997
10. Regional High School shooting, Bethel, Alaska, February 19, 1997
11. Pearl High School shooting, Pearl, Mississippi, October 1, 1997
12. School Unknown shooting, Norwalk, California, October 22, 1997
13. Heath High School shooting, West Paducah, Kentucky, December 1, 1997
14. Stamps High School shooting, Stamps, Arkansas, December 15, 1997
15. Jonesboro massacre - Jonesboro, Arkansas, March 24, 1998
16. Parker Middle School shooting, Edinboro, Pennsylvania, April 24, 1998
17. School Unknown shooting, Pomona, California, April 28, 1998
18. Lincoln County High School shooting, Fayetteville, Tennessee, May 19, 1998
19. Thurston High School shooting - Springfield, Oregon, May 21, 1998
20. School Unknown shooting, Columbia, South Carolina, June 6, 1998
21. School Unknown shooting, Houston Texas, May 21, 1998
22. Armstrong High School shooting, Richmond, Virginia, June 15, 1998
23. Columbine High School massacre - Littleton, Colorado, April 20, 1999
24. Heritage High School shooting - Conyers, Georgia, May 20, 1999
25. Deming Middle School shooting, Deming, New Mexico, November 19, 1999
26. Fort Gibson Middle School shooting, Fort Gibson, Oklahoma, December 6, 1999
27. Beach High School shooting, Savannah, Georgia, March 10, 2000
28. School Unknown shooting, Lake Worth, Florida, United States, May 26, 2000
29. School Unknown shooting, New Orleans, Louisiana, September 26, 2000
30. School Unknown shooting, Glendale, Arizona, October 24, 2000
31. School Unknown shooting, Oxnard, California, January 10, 2001
32. Lake Clifton Eastern High School, Baltimore, Maryland, January 17, 2001
33. School Unknown shooting, Elmira, New York, February 14, 2001
34. Santana High School - Santee, California, March 5, 2001
35. School Unknown shooting, Williamsport, Pennsylvania, March 7, 2001
36. Granite Hills High School shooting, El Cahon, California, March 22, 2001
37. School Unknown shooting, Gary, Indiana, March 30, 2001
38. Martin Luther King Jr. High School shooting, New York, New York, January 15, 2002
39. Appalachian School of Law shooting - Grundy, Virginia, January 16, 2002
40. School Unknown shooting, San Antonio, Texas, October 4, 2002
41. Wind River Middle School shooting, Carson, Washington, December 12, 2002
42. Englewood High School shooting, Chicago, Illinois, December 16, 2002
43. School Unknown shooting, Jenks, Oklahoma, United States; January 30, 2003
44. School Unknown shooting, Westminister, Colorado, United States; February 5, 2003
45. School Unknown shooting, Guttenberg, Iowa, United States; March 17, 2003
46. School Unknown shooting, Washington, D.C., United States; April 1, 2003
47. School Unknown shooting, Addison, Texas, United States; April 16, 2003
48. School Unknown shooting, Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States; April 24, 2003
49. School Unknown shooting, Columbus, Georgia, United States; August 14, 2003
50. Rocori High School shootings - Cold Spring, Minnesota, September 24, 2003
51. Southwood Middle School tragedy, Miami, Florida; February 3, 2004
52. School Unknown shooting, Maywood, Illinois, United States; August 30, 2004
53. North Philadelphia High School shooting, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States; November 22, 2004
54. Lakeside High School shooting, Nine Mile Falls, Washington, United States; December 10, 2004
55. Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, March 21, 2005
56. Campbell County High School - Jacksboro, Tennessee: November 8, 2005
57. School Unknown shooting, Essex, Vermont, United States;August 25, 2006
58. School Unknown shooting, Van Nuys, California, United States; September 13, 2006
59. Platte Canyon High School shooting - Bailey, Colorado, September 27, 2006
60. Weston High School shooting, Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
61. Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, October 2, 2006
62. Henry Foss High School - Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3, 2007
63. Virginia Tech massacre - Blacksburg, Virginia, April 16, 2007
64. O. E. Green School - Oxnard, California, February 14, 2008
65. North Illinois University - Decalb, Illinois, February 14, 2008


65/8=8r1 so in all the brilliance associated with the crime bill and gun free school zones for the children we have made it 8 times more likely to happen than it was BEFORE the law, BRILLIANT idea!

 

[xc9subcompact]

And here we have an article that speaks to the advantages of a permit when traveling outside WI. It makes it sound like a WI permit gets you around the GFSZ act anywhere.

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/05/wisconsin-legislature-begins-efforts-on.html

"This license bill offers some additional benefits. These include the ability to use the license to carry a concealed weapon in many other states while traveling and the ability to carry concealed weapons in school zones (1000-foot area surrounding school grounds). These zones are prolific and it is virtually impossible to navigate populated areas without entering them while engaging in routine activities. The federal penalty for a school zone violation is up to five years in prison and a fine."

 

[xc9subcompact]

Really? Hey thanks for the attempt at correcting me where there is no need for a correction. I think that you read as much into my statement as people will read into the quote from the article, since it makes it sound like the two issues are going hand in hand.