Roadblocks to catch a murderer, cooperate with being searched or not.

[Primus]

It's pretty darn easy to Google the disturbing footage and actual thoughts from the residents who were there and filming it.

Here's just one site with some (I had to stop watching some of them half-way through because of the chills):

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/48566461810/america-we-need-to-talk-about-the-boston-lockdown

First, thank you for posting that. I appreciate it. I'll read it and post a response.

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[Fuller Malarkey]

Im saying the same thing I've said all along... I have no idea what they did or why they did it.

I've seen nothing but some photos.

Did they ask them or demand them come out? Did they then seat h the house? Or just just ask whoever came out? Did they have any reason to believe the guy was in THAT particular house or area?

IF it was a random.... hey you get out im tearing apart your house then negative its not remotely an acceptable method for anything.

I keep asking these same questions but no one seems to be able to answer them.

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Been answered over and over and over.

"They banged on the door, I was shocked. Then, there was a gun. Or two guns what ever, pointing down at me and the guys said GET OUT GET OUT and I said Ok, and I wanted to know do I get my shoes or...and the guys says GET OUT GET OUT."
Around the 40 second mark....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1-ZUN3Li0

He just didn't have that...what would you call it..."convincing conviction" in his voice about his gratitude about what he had just been subjected to.

 

[Freedom1Man]

So, you're just going to give up on this point? Not even going to fight to defend your position? Not even a single defense?



I don't believe anyone has said there wasn't, so why should I bother to contradict your straw man argument?

As to the existence of gas chambers, what sort of proof do you demand?
The testimony of Rudolf Höss, Commandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp?
The testimony of SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr?
The other hundred or so testimonies from German Army soldiers made?
Eye witness accounts from soldiers who observed them while liberating the camps?
Eye witness accounts from the prisoners who survived the camps?

The media was/is controlled by the same group who claims to be the victims.
So, why do you trust them? Where is your proof that your version is the truth?

http://www.holohoax101.org/

So, where are the hard records that the Germans where known for keeping?

Show me the German records of such gas chambers.

 

[Primus]

The media was/is controlled by the same group who claims to be the victims.
So, why do you trust them? Where is your proof that your version is the truth?

http://www.holohoax101.org/

So, where are the hard records that the Germans where known for keeping?

Show me the German records of such gas chambers.

I might be wrong.. but I thought the Nuremberg trials were recorded? So shouldn't there be video evidence of them admitting to the chambers and executions?

I've always seen clips of it on history channel but obviously I don't speak German so I could translate what the guys are saying on the stand.

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[Fuller Malarkey]

There was an impressive amount of media coverage AND personal video of the governmental shenanigans there at Watertown, MA, yet we are faced with deniers that anything at all was wrong. Baffling. Absolutely baffling I tell ya.

 

[Primus]

There was an impressive amount of media coverage AND personal video of the governmental shenanigans there at Watertown, MA, yet we are faced with deniers that anything at all was wrong. Baffling. Absolutely baffling I tell ya.

The media was/is controlled by the same group who claims to be the victims.
So, why do you trust them? Where is your proof that your version is the truth?

http://www.holohoax101.org/

So, where are the hard records that the Germans where known for keeping?

Show me the German records of such gas chambers.

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[Fuller Malarkey]

Or like this:

I might be wrong.. but I thought the Nuremberg trials were recorded? So shouldn't there be video evidence of them admitting to the chambers and executions?

I've always seen clips of it on history channel but obviously I don't speak German so I could translate what the guys are saying on the stand.

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Oh. Recordings are evidence that atrocities at Nuremberg occurred. Got it.

There was an impressive amount of media coverage AND personal video of the governmental shenanigans there at Watertown, MA, yet we are faced with deniers that anything at all was wrong. Baffling. Absolutely baffling I tell ya.

Yet the recordings of the atrocities at Watertown, the interviews...is not evidence.

Do you see the problem here Skippy?

 

[Tackleberry1]

No reason to second guess yourself... principled men do not modify their values. If you would not allow Officer Barney to search your car FOOG... without a warrant or PC... then it stands to reason that you'd not allow him to violate your 4A rights regardless of how compelling the reason he gave you.

Tack

I was watching a crime show on the ID channel and a murderer had killed three people in three towns. While on the run he stole a car from a woman he contacted because her car was for sale. At this point they showed news coverage of the manhunt and police were stopping cars and checking the backseat and trunks.

I looked at my wife and said "Hell no, they're not looking in my trunk." My wife disagreed and said you should help them find the killer and if you refuse they will waste time on you, andtherefore you are helping him escape.

I argue that looking in my trunk will not help them, and if they waste time with me it's their own stupidity and not my fault. I also don't think we should give up our rights just to help the police, and as responsible citizens we should be more resistant to this kind of tactic being used.

Usally my wife agrees with me on these issues, but we could not agree on this, so I am wondering what do other people think, I respect my wife's opinion and the fact she was so adamant that I am crazy on this issue has me second guessing myself a little.

 

[marshaul]

The media was/is controlled by the same group who claims to be the victims.

Everyone has an agenda. Thankfully, I don't rely on "the media" for my understanding on the world.

I, for one, have no doubt that the Nazis gassed millions of Jews.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Everyone has an agenda. Thankfully, I don't rely on "the media" for my understanding on the world.

I, for one, have no doubt that the Nazis gassed millions of Jews.

I, however, have no doubts that it didn't happen they way it's being/been sold.

Youtube is not the media. I have more trust in YT videos posted by humans. They are all biased but there tends to be less "fudging" of the facts than the LameStream Media.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Or like this:



Oh. Recordings are evidence that atrocities at Nuremberg occurred. Got it.



Yet the recordings of the atrocities at Watertown, the interviews...is not evidence.

Do you see the problem here Skippy?

I guess it depends on who is controlling the release of images.
[video=youtube_share;kureFeGmoDI]http://youtu.be/kureFeGmoDI[/video]


http://kreplach.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/120/



As for the roadblocks and what happened in Watertown, those are documented. I was not disputing that those took place.

 

[OC for ME]

I was watching a crime show on the ID channel and a murderer had killed three people in three towns. While on the run he stole a car from a woman he contacted because her car was for sale. At this point they showed news coverage of the manhunt and police were stopping cars and checking the backseat and trunks.

I looked at my wife and said "Hell no, they're not looking in my trunk." My wife disagreed and said you should help them find the killer and if you refuse they will waste time on you, and therefore you are helping him escape.

I argue that looking in my trunk will not help them, and if they waste time with me it's their own stupidity and not my fault. I also don't think we should give up our rights just to help the police, and as responsible citizens we should be more resistant to this kind of tactic being used.

Usally my wife agrees with me on these issues, but we could not agree on this, so I am wondering what do other people think, I respect my wife's opinion and the fact she was so adamant that I am crazy on this issue has me second guessing myself a little.

Since this thread has strayed from your op, I'll attempt to bring it back to what i think your point is.

First, I will respectfully point out that your wife needs to have a deep conversation with herself as to why she feels the need to assist police if she knows, or should know, that the murder was not in her car. Why would your wife allow the cops to search her vehicle? Does she not know who is in her car?

Every citizen must hold to account LE. Never consent to any searches or seizures, ever. Force the cops to violate the law to achieve their desired goal. Force the cops to justify, to a jury, why they thought had the authority to violate your rights. Force the cops to justify their very existence at every turn. Liberty demands that LE be held in check, to the point that they must work overtime just to justify a parking ticket.

Never concede any issue to LE, ever.

 

[Kopis]

wow those pics are shocking.

 

[OC for ME]

wow those pics are shocking.

To some folks yes, they are shocking. To other folks, not so much. It is unfortunate that some citizens condone these tactics, even go as far as to encourage them, because the ends will always justify the means.

 

[Gunslinger]

How this happened to Jews in Germany? They were blown up in their town by terrorists and the Nazis went door to door looking for them? Do you have a cite?

I'm pretty sure (might be wrong) the point was to check if the POS was in those houses. Then they were immediately let back in there.

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The Jews were afforded the same right to be secure in their persons and property as the subjects in MA. If the pos murderer was outside, if the trigger happy swat clowns made a mistake, then somebody may not have been let back in the safety of his house, as he would have been in a body bag. Maybe next time the cops will decide to go door to door to look for a jaywalker. Once rights are trampled the first time it gets easier to do it again. That's the point you're missing entirely.

 

[OC for ME]

Primus does not miss the point, he simply does not agree with your point. No law suit, no foul, is his position.

 

[wimwag]

To some folks yes, they are shocking. To other folks, not so much. It is unfortunate that some citizens condone these tactics, even go as far as to encourage them, because the ends will always justify the means.

To others the pictures are infuriating. That officer has his face plastered all over the net. He would be wise to lay low.

Police seem to forget that they are in charge as long as we tolerate them. This is America. Do not forget it.

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[Red Dawg]

Like has been said/preached on here numerous times before. RECORD,RECORD RECORD...When they are at the door, or house, car, whatever. ASK FOR A WARANT, or no go. It's easier to get a nice little comfy lawsuit setttled for that new Kimber when they are guilty of harrassment and warrantless searches.
Hyper-thetical:::
POLICE: KNOCK KNOCK
Me: Who's there?
POLICE: Police, open up///
Me: No thanks, do you have a warrant?
Police: I SAID OPEN THE FN DOOR NOW!!!
Me: Not until you have a warrant
Police: Boom, door knocked in, run around and put me, wife, kids, grand kids on floor looking for something that is not there...

Want that? Primus? Right thing to do?

FYI that in a nutshell is what happened in MASS..Except the poor homeowners opened the doors to cops..

 

[Primus]

Like has been said/preached on here numerous times before. RECORD,RECORD RECORD...When they are at the door, or house, car, whatever. ASK FOR A WARANT, or no go. It's easier to get a nice little comfy lawsuit setttled for that new Kimber when they are guilty of harrassment and warrantless searches.
Hyper-thetical:::
POLICE: KNOCK KNOCK
Me: Who's there?
POLICE: Police, open up///
Me: No thanks, do you have a warrant?
Police: I SAID OPEN THE FN DOOR NOW!!!
Me: Not until you have a warrant
Police: Boom, door knocked in, run around and put me, wife, kids, grand kids on floor looking for something that is not there...

Want that? Primus? Right thing to do?

FYI that in a nutshell is what happened in MASS..Except the poor homeowners opened the doors to cops..

That is what happened in mass but they opened the doors? Is it really? The threw people to include little kids on the ground looking for stuff?

Please cite.

And you opening the door and letting them in to look or you refusing and them kicking the door are completely different things. Its sad your trying to conflate the two.


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[davidmcbeth]

<snip>
POLICE: KNOCK KNOCK
Me: Who's there?
POLICE: Police, open up///
Me: No thanks, do you have a warrant?
Police: I SAID OPEN THE FN DOOR NOW!!!
Me: Not until you have a warrant
Police: Boom, door knocked in, run around and put me, wife, kids, grand kids on floor looking for something that is not there...

With me:

Me: Who's there?
POLICE: Police, open up///
Me: You are a trespasser .. a criminal