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Rights on Public College Campuses?

The Trickster

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Concerning colleges and universities that are publicly funded here in Arizona, my understanding is that I can leave my pistol secured in my vehicle but cannot carry while on the campus. Is this true? If so, can anyone cite a statute?
I am starting school at a Maricopa County community college in a few weeks and I'd like to know what (little) rights I have while on "their" property.

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azcdlfred

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Concerning colleges and universities that are publicly funded here in Arizona, my understanding is that I can leave my pistol secured in my vehicle but cannot carry while on the campus. Is this true? If so, can anyone cite a statute? I am starting school at a Maricopa County community college in a few weeks and I'd like to know what (little) rights I have while on "their" property. Thanks.
ARS 13-2911.D grants absolute power to the governing board of the college to determine weapons policy. Unless your college allows a gun in your car, it is "illegal." Other weapons sections in the law do not apply to college and university campuses.

This is why Campus Carry has been such a problem in Arizona. Governing Boards are given dictatorial powers. That coupled with too many legislators whose spines have dropped out through their asses.

Fred
 

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ARS 13-2911.D grants absolute power to the governing board of the college to determine weapons policy. Unless your college allows a gun in your car, it is "illegal." Other weapons sections in the law do not apply to college and university campuses.

This is why Campus Carry has been such a problem in Arizona. Governing Boards are given dictatorial powers. That coupled with too many legislators whose spines have dropped out through their asses.

Fred

Thanks for the info; aren't dictatorial powers wonderful? :rolleyes:

I fail to understand what is so special and unique about college campuses which warrants a prohibition on carrying. I'm under the assumption that it's just another one of those "feel good" policies to make inept parents and students feel safe under the guise that their policy would stop an armed, murderous madman. How many more shootings in "gun-free" zones need to occur before these people realize that no such place actually exists?
 

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I fail to understand what is so special and unique about college campuses
Colleges and universities are nothing more than a continuation of the warehousing and leftist indoctrination of "children" that started with Kindergarten. Any education that occurs is accidental.

No one cares about the rules when it comes to drinking, drugs and partying, but if one coed pulls a gun on her attacker, she will be punished severely.

Fred
 

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Colleges and universities are nothing more than a continuation of the warehousing and leftist indoctrination of "children" that started with Kindergarten. Any education that occurs is accidental.

No one cares about the rules when it comes to drinking, drugs and partying, but if one coed pulls a gun on her attacker, she will be punished severely.

Fred

Very well said, Fred. I especially like the fact that you quoted the word "children," which is exactly the way they seem to view their students and treat them accordingly. I will not allow myself to succumb to their twisted wiles. Years ago, I watched as my ex-fiancée slowly fell from being a fairly level-headed girl when she started at ASU to a total statist/authoritarian by the time she graduated (hence the fact that she is my EX). What's worse is that her grandfather had foreseen the whole occurrence and had even warned her against it. But, putting up with their same old regurgitated BS while maintaining my position as a beacon of reason will be well worth the pricey piece of paper I'll eventually receive which will allow me to finally enter a more interesting line of work.
 

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Oh, and that link you provided for reference is pretty scary stuff. Essentially, one really has no rights whatsoever while on the grounds of an "educational institution" as virtually anything that can be imagined can be (intentionally or unintentionally) misconstrued as "interfering" or "disrupting," and one is thus subject to the will of any of the demi-gods ... ahem ... I mean campus staff. Wonderful!
 
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Fighting a bout of insomnia - on topic: sadly Trickster it wouldn't really matter (for students anyway) if colleges in AZ were not given decorators authorities. In my former state of MI only the big 3 (UofM, MSU & Wayne State) have these powers. No matter though, as today almost all colleges have a prohibition in their student rules that state the possession of any dangerous weapon is a offense punishable by expulsion! The trick is YOU must sign a student contract that states you will obey their rules (to hell with the constitution), if you refuse to sign you cannot attend. So for reality sake - all colleges are crime empowerment zones, whether state law allows carry or not! :banghead:
 
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I especially like the fact that you quoted the word "children," which is exactly the way they seem to view their students and treat them accordingly
Being a geezer, when I grew you stopped being a child when you were in your teens, started living on your own at 18 and were considered an adult at 21. And colleges were places where people were expected to act (and dress) like adults.

A century ago, kids were living and working on their own before their teens. Thomas Edison made a living selling cigars on trains when he was 11 years old.

Now, the prevailing "wisdom" is that adulthood doesn't start until almost 30 years old and it seems that most "kids" live with mommy (daddies aren't necessary anymore - they've been replaced by Uncle Sam) way into their 40's.

A couple of decades ago I noticed that the anti-gun groups and the government, in order to cook statistics, started referring to "children" under the age of 35 when talking about "gun violence" (another term we should never use).

When society views everyone under 30 as a child, it becomes very hard to get laws passed for campus carry because everyone attending college is viewed as immature. It doesn't help that too many college students reflect this attitude in their behavior.

/rant off

Fred
 

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Being a geezer, when I grew you stopped being a child when you were in your teens, started living on your own at 18 and were considered an adult at 21. And colleges were places where people were expected to act (and dress) like adults.

A century ago, kids were living and working on their own before their teens. Thomas Edison made a living selling cigars on trains when he was 11 years old.

Now, the prevailing "wisdom" is that adulthood doesn't start until almost 30 years old and it seems that most "kids" live with mommy (daddies aren't necessary anymore - they've been replaced by Uncle Sam) way into their 40's.

A couple of decades ago I noticed that the anti-gun groups and the government, in order to cook statistics, started referring to "children" under the age of 35 when talking about "gun violence" (another term we should never use).

When society views everyone under 30 as a child, it becomes very hard to get laws passed for campus carry because everyone attending college is viewed as immature. It doesn't help that too many college students reflect this attitude in their behavior.

/rant off

Fred

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
 

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The trick is YOU must sign a student contract that states you will obey their rules (to hell with the constitution), if you refuse to sign you cannot attend. So for reality sake - all colleges are crime empowerment zones, whether state law allows carry or not! :banghead:

I love a good Catch-22. We have these rights, which are (supposed to be) safeguarded by the constitutions of the United States and Arizona, yet some goons can use crude loopholes to make us sign them away. Private schools? No problem, I just won't go there. Public schools? Big problem, because I pay government to do its job and circumventing our constitutions is wrong, immoral, unethical, and the complete opposite of the primary function of government, which is the point of its very existence in the first place! :banghead:
 

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I love a good Catch-22. We have these rights, which are (supposed to be) safeguarded by the constitutions of the United States and Arizona, yet some goons can use crude loopholes to make us sign them away. Private schools? No problem, I just won't go there. Public schools? Big problem, because I pay government to do its job and circumventing our constitutions is wrong, immoral, unethical, and the complete opposite of the primary function of government, which is the point of its very existence in the first place! :banghead:

You Sir are wise beyond your years ...
"The force is strong with this one."

We risk our Republic becoming a Empire ...
 

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If anyone is in the know...have there been any documented cases of a student getting caught carrying while on campus? Other than being banned from campus and not getting a refund for tuition, is there really anything they can do (criminally) to the student?
 

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I'm not too happy with this. How can a state like Arizona with its very nice laws regarding carry allow schools to still do this. I am about to spend the next four years going to school here and my campus is one of those no gun ones. Hell the staff are pro gun too and were confused why the heck they have a no gun policy. None of them knew it until I asked. Was invited to the website and I found a lot of people from California are attending this college too.....yay.


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Number: AZ [R] HB 2186 - Updated (Status 03/05/2014)
Sponsor: Seel
Title: Community Colleges; Universities; Concealed Weapons
Abstract: Amending Title 15, chapter 14, Arizona Revised Statutes, by adding article 12; relating to community colleges and universities.
Status: Prefile - 03/04/2014
Position: Support

Probability: Low

Summary: Would allow college and university faculty members with CCW permits to possess a concealed firearm on campus.

Comments: 2/21/14 - DEAD. Failed to move before committee hearing deadline.
 
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azcdlfred

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I'm not too happy with this.
Neither are we (AzCDL).

Unfortunately, the legislature and the governor want nothing to do with Campus Carry this year. But, they used to say the same about Restaurant Carry and Constitutional Carry and we wore them down.

If you can find any students that will help us next year, including testifying at hearings, maybe we can get their attention. Right now there is no real student involvement with this issue. Makes it harder for us when it's basically a bunch of old guys pushing the issue.

Fred
 

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Welcome to sunny, dry Arizona HolyOrangeJuice!
I know how you feel, as I've felt that way during my -three years at the U of A down here in Tucson. Beautiful patch of land rendered ugly by an anti-Freedom city council, but I've decided it's worth fighting for.
AZCDL did A LOT of the work put towards the restoration of the people's Rights here in AZ, but we need every Freedom-loving individual in the state to be active, especially in educating the public about how many Rights of theirs are now licensed as privileges (pun there).
Don't know which college you'll be attending, but if you're ever in the Tucson area, let me know. Always nice talking to another student who understands the real issue.

Neither are we (AzCDL).

Unfortunately, the legislature and the governor want nothing to do with Campus Carry this year. But, they used to say the same about Restaurant Carry and Constitutional Carry and we wore them down.

/Mini-rant on: It's an election year, and rather than unequivocally support the restoration of people's Rights, they want to pander to the "moderate" crowd. I wonder when it became a mark of "extremism" to demand your Rights, Freedom, and a balanced budget instead of a nanny state:mad:. /rant off

If you can find any students that will help us next year, including testifying at hearings, maybe we can get their attention. Right now there is no real student involvement with this issue. Makes it harder for us when it's basically a bunch of old guys pushing the issue.

Fred

The students here are pretty uninvolved in just about anything that doesn't involve free food and/or alcoholic beverages. Just looking at the election turnout for student body government. Not even 5% of the student body voted.
What happened to the Student 2nd Amendment Union on the UA campus? I know I was out there in the fall of 2013 helping sign people up for their listserv (email list), but they hadn't been able to get a tenured faculty member to be their advisor (untenured professors would be at risk of losing their job in what has become a very Leftist/statist campus). The S2AU FB page is still up though. I'll see if I can't get in touch with them.
 

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Sadly, while AZ has some great gun laws - it also has some not so good ones. In particular when it comes to schools! In my former state of MI - which is graded with a C by the Brady campaign (they give AZ an F), with a permit one can carry legally in schools (openly) and one may maintain possession of the firearm (cc or oc) while waiting for their child in their car. In AZ must be unloaded and locked up.....:rolleyes:

How to fix these issues.... JOIN AzCDL & send letters to your elected officials! (AzCDL sends alerts & templates free).

http://azcdl.org/
 

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The students here are pretty uninvolved in just about anything that doesn't involve free food and/or alcoholic beverages.
Sadly, it's not much better with the adult "gun owner" crowd. Even though we (AzCDL) take the "shake it off, put it back in their pants and zip them up" approach with expensive software services that send out pre-written letters to legislators, too many won't expended the energy to click their mouse buttons a few times to send a message to their elected officials, but they'll whine when the bills fail.

The S2AU FB page is still up though. I'll see if I can't get in touch with them.
Thanks!

Fred
 
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