Rights on Public College Campuses?

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Neither are we (AzCDL).

Unfortunately, the legislature and the governor want nothing to do with Campus Carry this year. But, they used to say the same about Restaurant Carry and Constitutional Carry and we wore them down.

If you can find any students that will help us next year, including testifying at hearings, maybe we can get their attention. Right now there is no real student involvement with this issue. Makes it harder for us when it's basically a bunch of old guys pushing the issue.

Fred

We shall see what happens. I'll be starting in August. This college I'll be attending is rated the best in the nation for helping our veterans through school. A lot of current military and veterans are going here. We all have a love for aviation. I'm sure we can find a few that will help.

I use to open carry when I lived in Wisconsin. Only way we could before conceal carry laws were put into effect. Plus I wasn't 21 at the time. Now that I've been in Texas for a year and a half I just haven't had the time or money to invest into the permit. I mean why should I have to pay several hundred dollars? Where does it say citizens have to pay the government to use rights given in the consitution?

Almost thinking about getting a blue gun/training firearm to put in my holster on school grounds to prove a point. Now that I'll be in Arizona in just a couple months I'm starting to really read up on everything and gain as much knowledge as I can.

 

[The Trickster]

We shall see what happens. I'll be starting in August. This college I'll be attending is rated the best in the nation for helping our veterans through school. A lot of current military and veterans are going here. We all have a love for aviation. I'm sure we can find a few that will help.

I use to open carry when I lived in Wisconsin. Only way we could before conceal carry laws were put into effect. Plus I wasn't 21 at the time. Now that I've been in Texas for a year and a half I just haven't had the time or money to invest into the permit. I mean why should I have to pay several hundred dollars? Where does it say citizens have to pay the government to use rights given in the consitution?

Almost thinking about getting a blue gun/training firearm to put in my holster on school grounds to prove a point. Now that I'll be in Arizona in just a couple months I'm starting to really read up on everything and gain as much knowledge as I can.

Be careful with anything along these lines because "disrupting a learning institution" is a criminal charge and is so vague that it is easily abused by those with a despotic nature (school administrators). Add in the fact that campus cops and most teachers treat everyone (regardless of their age and life experience) as ignorant children and you have a recipe for disaster. If you read up on everything, it is quite scary as to how much authority the administrators actually have on college campuses, particularly over students. I could see some know-it-all making a big deal about a fake gun and you getting arrested for the aforementioned charge, as well as receiving administrative discipline from the school. Even though it is obviously fake, the claim would be that it caused alarm, panic, a lockdown, etc. and then you're screwed.

On a side note, I started attending a community college back in January and I was utterly disgusted with the excessive sharing and caring nonsense. I dropped my math class after two sessions because out of a total of four hours, we did maybe 15 minutes of math. The rest of the time was spent getting to know everyone in group projects and other piffle that did not belong in a course designed to study mathematics. I enrolled in a math class to refresh my memory and continue learning actual math, not have a play date session. The teacher also treated everyone like a teenager, which as a 30-year-old man I couldn't tolerate.

 

[Rusty Young Man]

Almost thinking about getting a blue gun/training firearm to put in my holster on school grounds to prove a point. Now that I'll be in Arizona in just a couple months I'm starting to really read up on everything and gain as much knowledge as I can.

Be careful with anything along these lines because "disrupting a learning institution" is a criminal charge and is so vague that it is easily abused by those with a despotic nature (school administrators). Add in the fact that campus cops and most teachers treat everyone (regardless of their age and life experience) as ignorant children and you have a recipe for disaster. If you read up on everything, it is quite scary as to how much authority the administrators actually have on college campuses, particularly over students. I could see some know-it-all making a big deal about a fake gun and you getting arrested for the aforementioned charge, as well as receiving administrative discipline from the school. Even though it is obviously fake, the claim would be that it caused alarm, panic, a lockdown, etc. and then you're screwed.

I would advise against the "blue gun" for the reasons touched upon by The Trickster; Jeffrey Prather (of Warrior School fame, amongst an extensive resume) tried to teach a women's self defense class at the University of Arizona, but was denied the use of precisely those training blue guns "because they're guns" (quoting his anecdote). Very rarely will UAPD (University of Arizona Police Department) and/or the administration approve their use.

SNIP...we did maybe 15 minutes of math. The rest of the time was spent getting to know everyone in group projects and other piffle that did not belong in a course designed to study mathematics.

Sad to hear that. I've had similar cases where I'd rather not work in touchy-feely group projects.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Be careful with anything along these lines because "disrupting a learning institution" is a criminal charge and is so vague that it is easily abused by those with a despotic nature (school administrators). Add in the fact that campus cops and most teachers treat everyone (regardless of their age and life experience) as ignorant children and you have a recipe for disaster. If you read up on everything, it is quite scary as to how much authority the administrators actually have on college campuses, particularly over students. I could see some know-it-all making a big deal about a fake gun and you getting arrested for the aforementioned charge, as well as receiving administrative discipline from the school. Even though it is obviously fake, the claim would be that it caused alarm, panic, a lockdown, etc. and then you're screwed.

On a side note, I started attending a community college back in January and I was utterly disgusted with the excessive sharing and caring nonsense. I dropped my math class after two sessions because out of a total of four hours, we did maybe 15 minutes of math. The rest of the time was spent getting to know everyone in group projects and other piffle that did not belong in a course designed to study mathematics. I enrolled in a math class to refresh my memory and continue learning actual math, not have a play date session. The teacher also treated everyone like a teenager, which as a 30-year-old man I couldn't tolerate.

Sadly we live in a place where good people can become criminals just because one person decides they need to swing their big stick just because they can. I wish our campus had its own police. Instead we are a large campus that is easily accessible by anyone and our security is also unarmed. At least if we had police response time would be much shorter. Although it doesn't matter if the bad guy is in your class room gunning you down. I don't know how much intelligence it requires to see that gun free zones do absolutely nothing to stop gun violence. Obviously there are plenty of people lacking enough intelligence to see that.

Yeah I already have 32 college credits and all the B.S. in the beginning is getting to know each other. I didn't pay to get a trip back to grade school and hold your hand. Anyway, appreciate the information gentlemen. While it was just an off the cuff comment it is still mind boggling that we continue to let gun free zones roam around when those mass shootings still happen within them. Hate sitting around feeling defenseless.