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Retention Holster. What level do you guys use?

Ghost1958

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Well not having good tactics could very well put one at a huge disadvantage.
Didn't say I hate tactics. I hate tactical


Like drawing tactically, tactical can openers, tactical shoes, underwear, breakfast cereal. etc etc.

Since cc permits came around and the self defense school industry with em the word tactical has been over used to sell everything and anything until it's meaningless.
 

color of law

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Weapon was only loaded with the required number of rounds needed for the shot/take.
This is why we ran-dry most of the time.
Translation: No matter how much we train we are as human as the average guy/gal. In other words, in the heat of the moment, if we had 12 rounds in our gun we would have unloaded all 12 rounds.
 

OC for ME

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...maybe...then again, these fellas my be thinking that the Mossad draw is...ultimately, not recommended, no matter the situation. I take it from their tepid approach to demonstrating the Mossad draw, and they modifying it, they advocate the axioms of Col. Jeff Copper...as do I.
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

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From what I have seen it is not the speed of chambering a round that is the biggest problem.

It is remembering to chamber that round.

I seen it is several students that when there is no pressure they can draw chamber and fire with out trouble.

Start putting pressure on them, distract them a little bit, start pushing. They almost always draw try shooting then remember to chamber.
 

Ghost1958

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Carrying an unchambered pistol is silly.
Might as well be carrying a rock unless you see the attack coming a 1/4 mile away.
 

solus

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From what I have seen it is not the speed of chambering a round that is the biggest problem.

It is remembering to chamber that round.

I seen it is several students that when there is no pressure they can draw chamber and fire with out trouble.

Start putting pressure on them, distract them a little bit, start pushing. They almost always draw try shooting then remember to chamber.
way too much work

pull, [if needed hold in ready position], raise firearm ~ if so equip'd take safety off, quickly sight, and pull the trigger...

and what distance are you asking 'your students' to defend themselves...up close and personal < 2 yards where you can 'distract them a LITTLE BIT ?'

oh and these students are JQCitizen right & not your brother in blue who need re-qualifying?

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Firearms Iinstuctor

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Depending on the student.

Because the training I give is tailored to the student it is not boiler plate.

The distance isn't the important element.

Having them realize that when a lot is going on around them and they need to get a shot off.

A good amount of the times that they draw they will forget chamber a round.

I have had student change their ways and I had other students say they are going to carry an empty chamber regardless.

No how many times their handgun went click instead of bang.

Normally the first time it goes click they look at their handgun wondering why. Then look at me.

All the time the clock is ticking.

It is easy to lead a horse to water very hard to make them drink.

Depending on student experience what they want to accomplish with their training.

Distances go from muzzle touching to well?

I only have a 600 yard range.

Of course we are not doing speed draws at the longer ranges.
 

color of law

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"I only have a 600 yard range."
That's pretty good. Not many of those around.
A good friend of mine has a 500 yard range in Indiana. Many come from far and wide to us it.
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

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"I only have a 600 yard range."
That's pretty good. Not many of those around.
A good friend of mine has a 500 yard range in Indiana. Many come from far and wide to us it.
Your right there is not many around in tree county.

Now out west in prairie county like eastern Montana finding a place to 600 and further is fairly easy.

I am heading out there next week with my 300WM for a mule deer hunt.
 

KBCraig

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I wonder how they arrived at the number for New Hampshire. If they know how many people in NH have licenses, they've figured out something that no one else knows.

There are 221 towns and 13 cities in NH. They issue licenses individually, with no centralized system for reporting them. Verifying a license requires a phone call to the police chief (if there is one), who will then have to sort through a file to verify the physical piece of paper.
 
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