Primus
Regular Member
First, I'm not your boy. Second, of COURSE you missed the handgunlaw.us cite....
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/indiana.pdf
Bottom of page 5 on here says:
From IN State Police FAQ’s
Q. Does Indiana statute require me to carry the handgun on my person concealed or
exposed?
A. Indiana law is silent on this issue; however, carrying an exposed weapon in public may alarm some
people. Also, the right to carry a firearm may be restricted on private property and businesses by the
owners. Be attentive for signs warning of restricted areas when carrying firearms into public places.
If approached by law enforcement for official business such as traffic stops or complaint related
inquiries, it is recommended that you tell the officer in a non-threatening manner that you are
carrying a weapon or have a weapon in the vehicle and that you have a valid permit. A law
enforcement officer does have the right to inspect the permit.
Note: I can find no reference in Indiana Law stating you must carry your Permit. The FAQ from the IN St.
Police states they do have the right to inspect your permit. "
I agree with the note, I still can't find the statute, but ive seen it a few places. Not sure if guys are just going by the FAQ from the state police? This actually has me interested now...
primus, come on, you have whined over and over you are being unfairly picked on by forum members and that such tactics are unwarranted.
yet after 1.2K posts you would think you would be able to understand a valid cite is from a reliable and perhaps unbiased source...handgun, wiki, and now ehow? these are not, as you were called out on, reliable cites.
come on are you that slow of a learner or are you being obtuse on purpose? if it is the latter, then i am afraid you are deserving of all the criticism you have received to date and will receive in the future.
ipse
Is handgunlaw.us a valid cite for you?
Is handgunlaw.us a valid cite for you?
Is reading hard for you? I asked for citeregarding police "rights" to demand disclosure based on having a carry permit.
I also asked what you find "inane" about following attorney advice [don't talk to the police] when dealing with investigative questions from police.
Thats all. It's a forum. You discounted, discredited and dismissed a poster's input, based on nothing other than you feel the need to protect the profession of law enforcement, under the guise of officer "rights".
Is comprehension hard for you? Do you have a problem "connecting the dots?" If the law in Indiana and other states require that the permit holder produce his/her permit "upon demand of a police officer," what other "citation" do you think you need to show that the LEO has the right to demand disclosure? Are you that obtuse?
My comment about the inanity of the response was based more on the general input of that poster, but since you asked, my response was directed specifically at an implied refusal to reply to a LEO's demand for providing the permit. In later posts, I address the concept of not answering questions that are investigative rather than responding to legal demands.
Your inference that I "feel the need to protect the profession of law enforcement" is laughable. What I *do* feel is the need to treat other people as equals, LEOs included, until and unless their words or actions cause me to lose respect for them ... as is the case with you.
Moving on.
First, I'm not your boy. Second, of COURSE you missed the handgunlaw.us cite....
Probably best you do move on as you have displayed an inability to work within the parameters of a contention YOU laid out. Words have meaning, and I am somewhat surprised I'd have to tell that to someone that has set themselves up to be an instructor, something that requires properly applied words to convey the correct information.
No, I'm moving on because I find it an utter waste of time conversing with such a biased and closed mind.
No, sir.Is handgunlaw.us a valid cite for you?
No, sir.
At a minimum, a citation to the law will be a link to the applicable law from a site maintained by said State Legislature, or a link to an independent organization such as FindLaw.Com. In either case, a valid citation must include the Chapter and paragraph of the law being cited.
:dude:
We, as humans are inclined to take what we know and try to fit that knowledge to unknown situations, (if every book you've read in your life opens right to left you're going to assume the next book you pick up does the same until you find yourself in a country that reads right to left instead of left to right.)
Just sent an inquiry to isp@isp.in.gov
Dear Indiana State Police
Is there a section of the Indiana Code that requires me to
a) Inform an officer that I am armed, or
b) Produce my firearms license upon an officer’s demand?
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To be quite honest, I'll be surprised if I do get a response. Most agencies (and most companies) seem to be reticent to admit things when they are not as the agency/company wishes. There's no penalty to the ISP for just ignoring the email.
I always find it amazing that after the initial contact with an individual, the LEO feels it necessary to tell them to not touch their firearm, or leave it where it is, or even worse give it to the LEO for safe keeping.
Apparently they don't realize that if the individual has bad intent, it would most likely already be exhibited by that time.
It's called 'goading' and is a favorite tactic. For some it's a type of passive aggression, giving instructions which they know aren't going to be challenged, showing they can 'rule'. It beats stopping and arrest really dangerous criminals.
When you think a LEO is not familiar with the law, or is asking things he knows very well he can't require, he's really trying to escalate the situation. He actually knows the law quite well. He knows he's got a LAC and he's not very likely to get challenged, but he thinks he might be able to make an arrest if he gets the person riled up. Witness cops who break the driver's window and pull a hapless black woman out into the street due to an equipment violation. You'd think he was arresting a mafia kingpin strapped with C4.
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