Pro-gun rally on February 8th Boston Massacre day

[gogodawgs]

There is a group that got a permit, they are called 2nd Enforcers. http://2ndenforcers.org/

There is a facebook page set up, with 4 people going. There are no speakers posted. https://www.facebook.com/events/140040819492514/

 

[Batousaii]

Your good at info seeking
- I was poking around the interwebs too with little success.

- I suppose I'll play it by ear. I was hoping for a Big->BiGGER kinda thing.

We shall see.

P.S. - Good mornin to ya <Hands over some Coffee>

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'll go if they plan a larger crowd. I'm already not liking the look of this group's website.

I'll play by ear as well and see what happens. Gogo has good advice in seeing your legislators, but one of my reps has already sent me a personal reply saying she'll vote no on any new gun laws. the other is a partisan line democrat.. who hasn't even responded to me, and my current state senator will be out of office before the end of the session, so I think it's all wrapped up there. although a "friendly in person reminder" might be warranted......

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I view this like I view the Kent State incident.

if your movement is acting violently to the point where the military is involved and then you violently taunt soldiers with guns, what do you expect will happen?

The redcoats arriving in numbers should've been a "clue" to disperse. now if you're so believing in your cause that you're willing to die for it, that's one thing.
but claiming a shooting that's at worst questionable is a cold blooded massacre is not reasonable.

How else do you over throw your oppressors?

This is the problem with statists of the past or present, the automatic assumption that government has the authority over the people, even without the consent of the people.

If the British had respected the rights of the Englishman, there never would have been this incident. So putting the blame back on the people for getting riled up because of the tyrannical actions of their government is an apologist statement in the very least.

The conduct of history has a tendency to repeat itself, we now live in a police state way more intrusive than the colonist, we have let the ridiculous notion of nationalism and the state over individualism get us here. But it will come to head one day, I don't look forward to it.

 

[massivedesign]

2E is over on WaGuns too. They posted a thread yesterday saying there is no agenda, no speakers, no plan.

 

[WOD]

I'll be there, and I don't have to work so I can stay longer than just a cameo appearance... unlike last time.

 

[Freedom First]

How else do you over throw your oppressors?

Um... Nasty emails? Asking nicely? Bribes?

But it will come to head one day, I don't look forward to it.

Me neither but that day is coming at an alarming pace. Americans of all flavors are waking up and looking around for the first time in their lives. They are asking tough questions and not liking the lame and empty answers given. One of these newborns will make the wrong move towards .gov and then it will be on. Now is the time to make your plans and decide where you will stand. And then prepare based on that choice. Those men at Lexington were not ready for what happened but the effects of their willingness to even stand there are still felt today. I can do no more for my children...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

How else do you over throw your oppressors?

This is the problem with statists of the past or present, the automatic assumption that government has the authority over the people, even without the consent of the people.

If the British had respected the rights of the Englishman, there never would have been this incident. So putting the blame back on the people for getting riled up because of the tyrannical actions of their government is an apologist statement in the very least.

The conduct of history has a tendency to repeat itself, we now live in a police state way more intrusive than the colonist, we have let the ridiculous notion of nationalism and the state over individualism get us here. But it will come to head one day, I don't look forward to it.

I d rather be ruled by a hamstrung government then a rampaging mob. The current government has the people's consent becuase the people as a whole have not chosen new leaders or successfully installed a new government. And of course the government rules legitimately by majority rule and has authority over an individual person, becuase otherwise any single individual could veto anything. The government is an extension of the people as a whole, and therefore must have authority over the individual person.

Society can't work any other way. If we had a society in which everyone had equal authority then a minority group of people could veto o stop anything they wanted and then by default they'd have authority over the majority, until the majority forces them to comply... We now go back to square one.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I d rather be ruled by a hamstrung government then a rampaging mob. The current government has the people's consent becuase the people as a whole have not chosen new leaders or successfully installed a new government. And of course the government rules legitimately by majority rule and has authority over an individual person, becuase otherwise any single individual could veto anything. The government is an extension of the people as a whole, and therefore must have authority over the individual person.

Society can't work any other way. If we had a society in which everyone had equal authority then a minority group of people could veto o stop anything they wanted and then by default they'd have authority over the majority, until the majority forces them to comply... We now go back to square one.

Well you are wrong. And this would have meant you would have been on the British side during the revolution.

This is a fallacy strawman argument not put forth. But wrong just because a majority rules does not make it legitimate or have authority over an individual or minority. In this theory, the united colonies break from England is illegitimate. What you propose though is an intrusive government that can make positive laws and structure society in an image it wants to create, rather than have a limited government concerned mostly with, individual liberty, protecting property and arbitrating disputes and one were society (which simply means the people) choose their own path in freely associating with one another.

You assume society can't work any other way, and this assumption is based on government and statist propaganda.

So you are not for people being each others equals. And this theory is faulty at best, because of your other assumptions. And you are misusing the term authority. Denying a group a majority or a minority "authority" over you is not having "authority" over them, it is simply denying their authority.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Um... Nasty emails? Asking nicely? Bribes?

I recommend for anybody to read the book Conceived in Liberty by Rothbard, the colonist were not polite about standing up for their liberties. The centuries before the physical conflict with Britian where full of constant struggles where individual colonies force British subjects to practice Salutory Neglect. Basically forcing them not to enforce freedom restricting laws. And heavy use of jury nullification too.

Me neither but that day is coming at an alarming pace. Americans of all flavors are waking up and looking around for the first time in their lives. They are asking tough questions and not liking the lame and empty answers given. One of these newborns will make the wrong move towards .gov and then it will be on. Now is the time to make your plans and decide where you will stand. And then prepare based on that choice. Those men at Lexington were not ready for what happened but the effects of their willingness to even stand there are still felt today. I can do no more for my children...

I fear it's coming too.....the only reason the last revolution worked was the majority of the population were for it and understood it, English common law, Locke, Pain, etc, still it were the "conservatives" who were previously in power who maneuvered themselves back into power who set this country and it's long slow decline away from the principles of the revolution. The modern day oligarchs have massive amounts of support, militarized local police, tanks, gunships etc....

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Well you are wrong. And this would have meant you would have been on the British side during the revolution.

you know I'm sure we'll discuss this again sometime in the future in the social lounge or maybe in person. in the meantime, to try and return the thread...

how's your whatcom 2A rally going?

 

[Freedom1Man]

Well you are wrong. And this would have meant you would have been on the British side during the revolution.

This is a fallacy strawman argument not put forth. But wrong just because a majority rules does not make it legitimate or have authority over an individual or minority. In this theory, the united colonies break from England is illegitimate. What you propose though is an intrusive government that can make positive laws and structure society in an image it wants to create, rather than have a limited government concerned mostly with, individual liberty, protecting property and arbitrating disputes and one were society (which simply means the people) choose their own path in freely associating with one another.

You assume society can't work any other way, and this assumption is based on government and statist propaganda.

So you are not for people being each others equals. And this theory is faulty at best, because of your other assumptions. And you are misusing the term authority. Denying a group a majority or a minority "authority" over you is not having "authority" over them, it is simply denying their authority.

His statement shows that he believes in Demonacracy. I have found that most of those who believe in mob rule are not easy to reason with.

I believe in a Republican form of government when it would not matter if 99% of the people did not like me exercising my rights they still could not take them away.

 

[Freedom First]

I d rather be ruled by a hamstrung government then a rampaging mob. The current government has the people's consent becuase the people as a whole have not chosen new leaders or successfully installed a new government. And of course the government rules legitimately by majority rule and has authority over an individual person, becuase otherwise any single individual could veto anything. The government is an extension of the people as a whole, and therefore must have authority over the individual person.

Society can't work any other way. If we had a society in which everyone had equal authority then a minority group of people could veto o stop anything they wanted and then by default they'd have authority over the majority, until the majority forces them to comply... We now go back to square one.

I don't really want to argue with folks like you. How about this: Let's just practice leaving me and mine the hell alone. Yeah, that'll work.

 

[1245A Defender]

Well,,,

Last night I asked the mods to merge these two threads,, and now they are!

I wish that we get back on topic and try to discuss our plans to attend whatever kind of rally this is going to be.
I am very unhappy with anyone discouraging peoples attendance.
I will be there, many others has posted that they will come.
Dont change your mind because of the negativity.

You all know,,, that if the people dont want to come, we cant stop them!

There has been many comments in this and other states, that if the turnout is less than, "some one thinks it should be",
that the forces that be will think poorly of our movement.

Plan to fail,,, and you are assured of success!!

 

[1proudAmerican]

Yes Lets get it together for the Feb 08,2013 rally in Olympia !!! UNITED WE STAND

Hey everyone! There is in fact a rally this Friday Feb 08 in Olympia.

There are now permits handled- by 2nd enforcers! They saw the Washington state bus was revved up but no one was driving and this guy hustled and came through with permits- Monday they were finalized!! He also started the site and everything on the first of feb because 2nd rights site for nationwide , was in such disorganization that no one had taken point to drive the bus. He stepped up , so lets see what we can do to help make this a success.

With what is at stake here, I cant believe that im hearing anything but support to get us all out and make this a positive HUGE event!! If you cant be positive and help to protect our rights and wanna piss and moan , take a midol and stay home! Better yet take one and come anyway, you'll be glad you did. The time is now people, Somone said i was thinkin big, bigger . Well there is a hell of ALOT of us out here thinking big(19th) to Holy crap half of washington is here to say stay away from our guns and NO NEW LAWS infringing on our rights!!!!!! And their all packin too!

Yeah the new site for 2e is new, give the guy some cred , as he stepped up, so why can't we and all work together?? Seriously were up against a "community organizer" :monkeythat was very good at his previous job, and he has an agenda. Can we afford to not unite for the cause and blow this thing up?

Maybe the site wasnt completed because to have a site for a rally , or the rally at all,the first thing that was needed was a permit, He did it . Lets do our part too!!

There are 2 links the first one 2nd rights was set up but noone organizing a few hundred said are going, but no one took lead . 2nd enforcers did come through and i imagine the site will rapidly evolve as well. Understandably if this is one guy doin it all, where the hell are the rest of "we the people" ?:banghead: I have been following both and im sure there will be a huge turnout, lets do our part !! Heres the links , check them out the 2enforcers is the one who is trying to organize the confusion from the 2nd right site and get it together for the rest of us

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f....177239272409913.41917.177238195743354&type=1
http://2ndenforcers.org/freedom.jpg

http://2ndenforcers.org/?q=forums/rally-calls


So check into the sites- see if you can even find washington on the first then check out 2nd and third. We ALL need to do everything we can to make this happen in such a major way, being polite and respectful and impossible to ignore because we packed Olympia, not just the fountain...



THIS WILL BE HUGE IF WE ACT AS A GROUP WITH A COMMON GOAL!!! COME ON everyone and be a part of history , stand up lets show them we got a spine and represent !, Are we sheeple or freakin AMERICANS????????????

Damn I feel like a chearleader but WE WILL NOT FAIL, Unless we do nothing. Is that who we are?

Please forgive the rant, i mean no offense to anyone, but i do mean to impress how important this really is , and how important that it is done right.

I did see a place on 2e site on the action items where he still needs help bringin this all together, Anything anyone here can do? Im doin flyers for all the gun shops and ranges . There's contact info on the site do what you can to help and spread the word!!!!:banana

I'll see all you Patriots at the rally!!, Im going early to help set up too! What are your gun rights worth to you?

 

[SGTapone]

Last night I asked the mods to merge these two threads,, and now they are!

I wish that we get back on topic and try to discuss our plans to attend whatever kind of rally this is going to be.
I am very unhappy with anyone discouraging peoples attendance.
I will be there, many others has posted that they will come.
Dont change your mind because of the negativity.

You all know,,, that if the people dont want to come, we cant stop them!

There has been many comments in this and other states, that if the turnout is less than, "some one thinks it should be",
that the forces that be will think poorly of our movement.

Plan to fail,,, and you are assured of success!!

+ 1 already have the day off will be there at 10 AM everyone who can go should go.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm going, I have open seats in my car, if you live in kitsap county, mason county, or on the I-5 corridor south from tacoma, give me a message. it's important as many people as possible come over.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

I don't really want to argue with folks like you. How about this: Let's just practice leaving me and mine the hell alone. Yeah, that'll work.

+1

 

[gogodawgs]

I d rather be ruled by a hamstrung government then a rampaging mob. The current government has the people's consent becuase the people as a whole have not chosen new leaders or successfully installed a new government. And of course the government rules legitimately by majority rule and has authority over an individual person, becuase otherwise any single individual could veto anything. The government is an extension of the people as a whole, and therefore must have authority over the individual person.

Society can't work any other way. If we had a society in which everyone had equal authority then a minority group of people could veto o stop anything they wanted and then by default they'd have authority over the majority, until the majority forces them to comply... We now go back to square one.

Well you are wrong. <snip>

+1

Wrong, no the government does not rule by majority rule and have authority over an individual! The rule of law is what governs an individual, natural rights govern an individual. Majority law is overturned by the courts when it exceeds natural and fundamental rights.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

+1

Wrong, no the government does not rule by majority rule and have authority over an individual! The rule of law is what governs an individual, natural rights govern an individual. Majority law is overturned by the courts when it exceeds natural and fundamental rights.

Exactly correct +1