the500kid
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First off this is not to bash LEO this is largely in observation of the Detroit arrest and a couple others i've read on this site and a couple of conversations i've had recently.
I just took a CPL class today and one of the instructors was detroit PD and while he made the statment that open carry was legal in the state "In certain citys and unincorparated arreas" he also said "that city ordineces pre-emt state law." I brought up the preemtion law of MI but since i did know the exact number or ruleing it went no were. He also said that theres in ordinece in Detroit to the effect that if any part of a handgun is covered (even by a holster, any holster) it is considered conceled. (I unfourtunatly didn't bring any material to bring to the class, I don't have a printer.) Anyway my point on this part is this was a pretty pro gun LEO that thought civilians should carry (conceled) and was unaware of a MI preemption law as well as the new law for regestering handguns.
The second point i have is i work with a LEO from Indiana ( I realize it is a diffret sate but i shouldn't matter) that says he has no problems walking up to someone putting them in cuffs and not telling them why there being arrested until he gets them to the station. He also says that when arresting someone he doesn't have to answer questions that citizens as him. Like why there being arrested.
My whole point of this is here are 2 diffrent LEO that are either unaware of the law or are willing to completely ignore it just to "protect themselves" While i understand were they are comeing from becuase of the job they do. That is no reason to ignore the rights and do as they see fit. The only way this will change is if people are willing to stand up for there right and in some cases get arrested and take PD or cities to cout. While that is an extreme case it is about the only way it will happen in places like Detroit. While i hope this doesn't have to happen often and it looks like a lot of cases it is not true. I think it is the only way that OC will become accepted and the ending of harrasment is if some big city gets there butt handed to them in a law suit.
Just my obsevation and .02 cents wondered what anyone else thinks.
First off this is not to bash LEO this is largely in observation of the Detroit arrest and a couple others i've read on this site and a couple of conversations i've had recently.
I just took a CPL class today and one of the instructors was detroit PD and while he made the statment that open carry was legal in the state "In certain citys and unincorparated arreas" he also said "that city ordineces pre-emt state law." I brought up the preemtion law of MI but since i did know the exact number or ruleing it went no were. He also said that theres in ordinece in Detroit to the effect that if any part of a handgun is covered (even by a holster, any holster) it is considered conceled. (I unfourtunatly didn't bring any material to bring to the class, I don't have a printer.) Anyway my point on this part is this was a pretty pro gun LEO that thought civilians should carry (conceled) and was unaware of a MI preemption law as well as the new law for regestering handguns.
The second point i have is i work with a LEO from Indiana ( I realize it is a diffret sate but i shouldn't matter) that says he has no problems walking up to someone putting them in cuffs and not telling them why there being arrested until he gets them to the station. He also says that when arresting someone he doesn't have to answer questions that citizens as him. Like why there being arrested.
My whole point of this is here are 2 diffrent LEO that are either unaware of the law or are willing to completely ignore it just to "protect themselves" While i understand were they are comeing from becuase of the job they do. That is no reason to ignore the rights and do as they see fit. The only way this will change is if people are willing to stand up for there right and in some cases get arrested and take PD or cities to cout. While that is an extreme case it is about the only way it will happen in places like Detroit. While i hope this doesn't have to happen often and it looks like a lot of cases it is not true. I think it is the only way that OC will become accepted and the ending of harrasment is if some big city gets there butt handed to them in a law suit.
Just my obsevation and .02 cents wondered what anyone else thinks.