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Oregan Swat raid man who was fired and bought firearms..

Alexcabbie

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What is a "puppy forum"? Is it a forum that discusses young dogs or is it a forum for kids? If the latter, why would a grownup be on it to be banned in the first place? I don't know about everyone else, but if I wound up finding out I were talking to juveniles I would get off the forum voluntarily. I don't have time to yammer about childish things I have already put behind me.

And if it is the former, what did he do? post a recipe for dead puppy stew?:uhoh:
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
What is a "puppy forum"? Is it a forum that discusses young dogs or is it a forum for kids? If the latter, why would a grownup be on it to be banned in the first place? I don't know about everyone else, but if I wound up finding out I were talking to juveniles I would get off the forum voluntarily. I don't have time to yammer about childish things I have already put behind me.

And if it is the former, what did he do? post a recipe for dead puppy stew?:uhoh:


you are aware minors do use this site correct? most if not all minors on here are 17and looking to explore more legal rights though.

and for kwirknu,your permit got yanked??

why?

as much as i disagree with OC'ing a fully blaze orange AK pistol in BDU's,it is legal and you shouldnt be penalized for it,or any discussion about it.
 

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jwidman, nice sig.

I carry that Federal HST ammo for SD and it's amazing.
 

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I am from Medford. The local PD denied a request by the local paper for records pertaining to this incident which they themselves have stated "is closed".

The Mayor says he "stands behind the PD".

And Mr. Pyles is doing, to the dissappointment of those of us who want to know his side, EXACTLY what he should be doing.Keeping his mouth shut and working on legal recourse.

This issue is not going to go away quietly if I and some others I am aware of have anything to do about it.
 

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Here's the March 28th newspaper article giving, of course, the "official" STORY (read CYA story) on the incident (as published by the paper):

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100328/NEWS/3280325



The voice mails left by Medford PD Officer Clausen (apparently the on scene "negotiator") and by the Medford PD dispatch office.

www.mailtribune.com/policevoicemail



Mr Pyles 911 call to Medford PD trying to determine what is going on:

www.mailtribune.com/pyles911



EXCERPTS from the Mail Tribune (newspaper) story:

Fears of retaliation prompted electronic surveillance that notified authorities when the suspended planner, David J. Pyles, 39, bought three handguns, a 12-gauge shotgun and a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle over the next three days.

Thefears of an apparently inept supervisor who had, for six months, been dealing with Mr Pyles appropriately filed complaints through the union cause the police to violate a citizens civil rights?



"Given the circumstances, we decided to react to be on the safe side," Jackson County Sheriff's Lt. Rich Fogarty said. "I think we did what was necessary."

After reading everything available to the public, they most certainly overstepped teh bounds of their authority and what was right.



According to Deputy Chief Tim George"There was fear among the employees of ODOT that Pyles could cause them harm," George wrote.

And? Because someone is afraid, lacking any REASONALBLE cause to be afraid (more on that in a bit), the police go apeshit on a law abiding citizen?



On March 5, he, Undersheriff Rod Countryman, ODOT's District 8 Manager Jerry Marmon and a private security firm employee ODOT had hired temporarily met at the ODOT offices.

According to Cicero's report, Marmon described "a declining state of mental health" that included declines in Pyles' personal hygiene and appearance and verbal outbursts.

So a guy who is out to make a case against a citizen is now perfectly acceptable to the police to make a determination of someone mental health on which the police then act to brazenly violate the citizens civil rights?



Marmon told the officers that Pyles hadn't made any specific threats of violence, but he was concerned about "possible retaliation or workplace violence," Cicero's report said. Marmon said Pyles was frustrated primarily with a supervisor who worked in Douglas County, but he worried that the retaliation could be directed at him and the White City office.

Sounds to me like a boss looking to get even for official complaints files with the union by the employee.



Oregon Administrative Rule 257-010-0055(2) authorizes law enforcement agencies to access information from the OSP Firearms Instant Check System during an ongoing investigation, OSP spokesman Gregg Hastings said. Agencies only have to confirm that they are law enforcement and have an open case, usually by sending a written request on agency letterhead referencing an ongoing criminal investigation, he said.

Pyles' name was flagged after a phone call but the written request, usually sent right away by fax, apparently wasn't sent, Hastings said.

"That was an oversight and we will take steps to make sure that doesn't happen again," he said, noting that the process is rare.

An oversight or "we ginned one up after we got our asses in a sling"?



Amid growing concerns in the wake of the gun purchases, OSP, the sheriff's department and Medford police met at 6 p.m. March 7, sheriff's Detective Charley Retzer wrote in his report. A dozen officers reviewed the case and Marmon offered an account of Pyles' deteriorating relationships and performance at work over the past year.

What the hell is Marmon (the ODOT supervisor) doing involved at this stage of the game besides building his own personal vendetta?

Retzer and Lt. Rich Fogarty went to the ODOT office on Antelope Road at about 7:45 p.m. to examine Pyles' desk and computer. Retzer's report said he found no papers about workplace conflicts. The computer's hard drive had documents in which Pyles discussed harassment happening at work and a worker's compensation claim about "anxiety, depression and physiological aliments caused by his workplace stress."

Retzer said he didn't find any threats toward Pyles' coworkers or supervisors or any indication that Pyles would harm himself.

THIS is the most damning evidence against the actions of the police who AFTER THIS WAS DETERMINED went ahead and violated Mr Pyles anyway!!!!!





Clauson's report says that based on Pyles' weapons purchases, some ODOT employees were leaving their homes to stay in motels.

Well that shouldn't be too hard to PROVE but even if it is, we're just back to the irrational fears of someone when there is no reasonable cause to be fearful.



At 9:24 p.m., state police sent a teletype to law enforcement across southwest Oregon asking officers to be on the lookout for Pyles and warning of potential officer safety issues. It warned that he might be unstable and had made "concerning statements."

"There is no PC (probable cause) for arrest and no specific threat," it read.

At 9:50 p.m., a second OSP teletype reported that "there is now probable cause to detain for a POH (police officer hold)" and a hand-written note on Medford's copy of the bulletin notes it is a mental health hold by OSP. The available police reports don't indicate what the probable cause was.

So while there were no threats towards co-workers and no indication that Pyles might hurt himself (or anyone else) the PD puts out an "officer safety issues" BOLO attesting that they have no probably cause but just 26 minutes later someone decides there is probable cause but doesn't say what it is.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Probable Cause is a CRIMINAL issue and there was NO CRIME COMMITTED. Just an ODOT supervisor hell bent on making Mr. Pyles pay for having the audacity to repeatedly file union complaints.

The article is a LONG one and the above is just a sampling of what is REPORTED to have gone down (and only from one police agencies viewpoint). Mr. Pyles has been very quiet in the public eye but is NOT letting this drop.
 

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Clauson's report says that based on Pyles' weapons purchases, some ODOT employees were leaving their homes to stay in motels.

How did the ODOT employees know about Pyles's weapons purchases?:shock::shock:
 

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Ummmmm that would be because the mans privacy was being invaded and his private information shared with the ODOT supervisor who then told his employees.

It's not looking pretty now is it?
 

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I feel for the guy. If that guy had kidschild protective serviceswould probably have them in foster homes. This is just a sample of what can happen if you piss off the wrong cop. I have a 3" stack of papers I just got from a FOIA request on me. Includes internet postings, letters between police agencies on how to take away my carry permit, detailing how paranoid and irrational they say I am, lying in letters to the department of safety, trying to make a case for committment I think. I never committed a crime either.

People think this doesn't or can't happen, but it does and it is scary.
 

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Yup, it does happen. But "not to me so I'm not worried" is the main problem.

Seems there was a major world genocide that happened back in the 40's that had that same mentality. Look what it got them.
 

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We-the-People wrote:
EXCERPTS from the Mail Tribune (newspaper) story:

Fears of retaliation prompted electronic surveillance that notified authorities when the suspended planner, David J. Pyles, 39, bought three handguns, a 12-gauge shotgun and a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle over the next three days.

Thefears of an apparently inept supervisor who had, for six months, been dealing with Mr Pyles appropriately filed complaints through the union cause the police to violate a citizens civil rights?
Ha! Looks like I was pretty close when I said....

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His Brady Bunch boss... ...places the guy on leave, then calls the cops and LIES to them about how he was acting.

All because the guy is afraid of inanimate objects.

Say it can't happen? Want to buy a bridge?
 

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I still want to see DOCUMENTATION (i.e. receipts) that ODOT employees (other than the apparently weasly supervisor) spent nights in local motels because they were afraid of Pyles. That just sounds SOOOOO much like a "let's beef up our case" BS. Though even if some did, do their supposed fears (no possible chance the supervisor was creatinga case now is there) trump the Constitution and Mr Pyles civil rights?

NO
 
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We-the-People wrote:
Yup, it does happen. But "not to me so I'm not worried" is the main problem.

that used to be me too. then it did happen to me, not as extreme, nor with the same results, but it taught me a lesson to be sure. politically correct lying f**ks words are taken as truth by cops, and the cops have no problem leaning on you if accused, even without any evidence to back it up. and the cops will use every politically correct line to try to bait you in, and get you to go along with their bullsh**t, and if you don't, will continue to make sure you understand that they are around and keeping an eye on you for years to come. worst of it is; when the dust settles, and the truth comes out- you ain't gonna get no appology for what was done to you, or how you were treated.
 
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