No. It was one of those things that didn't come up unless you asked the GRPC folks. Plenty of people open carried, but if someone asked ahead of time they were told that the hotel had a no open carry policy. If you asked the hotel they would say they didn't want open carry.Was it a condition for entry into the event?
Gun show empty gun carry is more of a safety issue.Brings to mind these gun shows whereby no one is supposed to bring in a loaded firearm, as is demanded by a plethora of signs. Disturbingly ironic that a gun show is a quasi gun-free zone.
Gun show empty gun carry is more of a safety issue.
I worked the AzCDL table at gun shows throughout Arizona for several years and got a lot of "unloaded" guns pointed at me as folks picked up guns on dealer tables and waved them around while pulling the triggers. I'm of the mindset that there is no such thing as an "unloaded" firearm and that you only point guns at things you are willing to destroy.
And, bad things do happen at gun shows when "empty" guns are waved around. A few years back at an Atlanta show where all the guns were supposed to be empty, a gun on a dealer's table had a round chambered and fired and a kid was shot.
I personally feel less stressed when the odds of someone popping off a live round in a room full of hundreds of people playing around with hundreds of guns are reduced by the absence of available ammunition.
The world isn't a perfect place, sometimes the gains are worth "bending" with irrational policy.
While I don't agree with ever being disarmed, I do understand that at times, it is a price worth cautiously paying. AZCDL has over 12,500 members. Most of them as I understand it, were recruited at gun shows.
Brings to mind these gun shows whereby no one is supposed to bring in a loaded firearm, as is demanded by a plethora of signs. Disturbingly ironic that a gun show is a quasi gun-free zone.
I guess if every body that attends gun shows had perfect firearms handing skills as every buddy proclaims to have the signs would not be needed.
Do you plan to stop stupidity with your gun? Is a bullet your solution to a negligent discharge at a gun show? Have there been a lot of assaults, rapes or robberies inside your local gun shows? If you were armed and a careless gun owner at a gun show muzzle sweeps you with a gun that he picked up off one of the tables, are you going to draw on him? Shoot him? How do you expect to differentiate between the unloaded guns that can be handled and the loaded ones that can't? What do you do if a person offers you a really good price for your loaded and therefore "unhandelable" gun? What if you see just the gun that you've been looking for for years, but it is a loaded gun and therefore "unhandelable"? How do you convert these unhandelable guns into handelable guns so you can conduct business on them or do you just refuse to do so? Do you think someone there will "just snap" and start shooting people or do you contemplate a planned mass shooting at the gun show? Exactly, what scenario do you expect to defend yourself against inside a gun show. Is it just the possibility of some unknown and unpredictable "something" or is it that you just don't like to be told what to do?
I thought the point of carrying was to be prepared, because we never know when or where we'll need to defend ourselves.
Sure, I'm insulted by the signs at shows, and I may zip-tie my OC to show it's unloaded, but isn't that really just security theater when the CC BUG is not unloaded?
Searched for the last time a mass shooting took place at a gun show...not a single hit.
2013 and 2014, nothing found for 2015...yet.
Perhaps this sign would be enough notice to cover the liability side, and its enforcement could also help dissuade unsafe and/or reckless behaviour? Yep, double meaning there.
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Trickster, truth be told, I have the same problem with two gun ranges I used to visit in the Tempe/Mesa area of the state: Caswells and C2 Tactical (both owned by the same folks, the latter is newer).* Kind of the reason I stopped patronizing them, even when I am in the area. Seems like the bad behaviour of some is used to excuse the punishment of all.
Have OCed at Fry's (various times), Bobo's Restaurant (cozy, always busy, and have some great food that the GF and I enjoy), Bookman's, Albertson's, Yogurtland (GF likes it, and I don't mind ice cream stuff), and several 7-11s around Tucson (still don't really like going there without a buddy to cover my back:uhoh
In Tempe (two weeks back): AM/PM gas station and Joe's Italian Ice. No issues, and I took a photo at Joe's that I will post later on to prove it happened. OCing there, I mean.
The usual glances (especially Bobo's, where some college girls pointed my carry out to their friends) and a few saucer eyes, but no problems anywhere. I keep expecting someone to scream, or for my sidearm to escape the confines of its holster and start shooting people as I watch helplessly, but it never happens? I suppose my 1911 must be super lazy.
Did have two people ask me what I was carrying: one at Fry's commented on my Kimber (I carry a Springfield) and how rare stainless 1911s were, reminiscing about how his grandfather had carried one. The second was a guy who was glad I carried and was trying to have his carry Rights restored. He even shook my hand right there in front of his children and better half... and the (unarmed) security guy who is always surprised to see that I'm OCing.
Both of these men were of Latino heritage, so I hope this is a sign that the antis' false claims of "only white men...yada yada... carry guns in public" are being recognized as such by the masses (I am Hispanic, for those who I haven't had the chance to meet up with).
There you go, two weeks of carry and the most "eventful" thing was a guy shaking my hand in front of his kids as a way to show approval of me carrying.
At Caswells I've been asked to unload my sidearm or leave, this after patronizing the place various times. Not saying she is a control freak or has less common sense, just that it's only been the elderly woman who says anything and is downright rude about it. The other staff have never said anything. perhaps due to the fact that I never unholster unless it is at the firing line and they've noticed it. C2 employees were greener in every sense of the word, but at least tried to remain professional and courteous about asking me to unload next time I visited.
Haven't been back since I decided to stay down here (behind enemy lines) in the Tucson area. I was fortunate enough to be invited to the Scottsdale Gun Club by FreeInAZ for the "Duel in the Desert" OC lunch and range day... where I learned to appreciate the Hi Point pistol, but that is another story.
I didn't write any "what ifs" and I didn't take any position for or against anything. And I certainly suggested no "gun controls", common sense or otherwise. I don't know where you read that, but I suggest you reread my post. You may have me confused with some other poster. I just asked for some information and your thoughts. So I just wanted to know how many deliberate shootings you have seen or heard about at gun shows and what danger you want to defend yourself from. Is it assault, assassination, robbery or rape? What danger are you concerned about? I know that there are dangers at gun shows, because I have seen them. There is danger from some gun show attendees being negligent in a room full of people, dangerously handling firearms, pointing firearms at other people, multiple muzzle sweeps and just general carelessness. Does the danger that you want to defend yourself from exceed the danger these careless and negligent people exhibit? I have never seen or heard of a deliberate shooting at a gun show or the need of a gun show patron to defend themselves with a gun at a gun show, but I have seen and heard of negligent discharges and careless handling of guns at gun shows and I just wonder which of these dangers you think is the most likely to injure or kill you or a member of your family. I have never been attacked at a gun show, but I don't know everything that ever happened at a gun show. I just want to learn from your experiences and find out where these things have happened and how often they occur. If there continues to be more negligent discharges and other careless dangers at gun show, how long do you expect it will be before there are no more gun shows to attend or that most reasonable people will refuse to attend gun shows entirely?
I was clearly contributing to what gutshot posted regarding a mass shooting at a gun show.Using your implied logic, then why carry at all? Statistically speaking, the odds that any of us will truly need a firearm to defend ourselves/families is slim to none. Yet, those of us on here who do carry prefer to be prepared despite the odds. Well, except at gun shows, because nothing could happen there.
Your respect for the rights of a private property "owner" is noted.The Trickster: ... I also just ignored the disarmament signs and carried my loaded .45 anyway. Whoops.
Someone gets it.