And most of it from those that have never done the job or could not qualify for the job.
Please cite the qualifications required for the job.
And most of it from those that have never done the job or could not qualify for the job.
Are they experts/trained at the deescalation of force?
I read he witnessed the battery, and pursued with intent to arrest.
I do not have a problem with that.
The cop, Donald Hubbard, who was in uniform working security at a hotel, witnessed this exchange and ran after the firefighter to arrest him...
I'd forgotten where I read that, sorry. Found it: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...e-caught-video-cops-blame-videographer-death/
I do not know if this writer knows this or is surmising it, though. I haven't watched the video, so I can't state that the cop did witness the battery.
Why should they have helped? Are they experts/trained at the deescalation of force? Was the film crew (how many?) physically larger than a policeman and a fireman?
While you (or I) may have been inclined to insert ourselves into an unsafe situation, the film crew was under no such inclination nor obligation to do so. If the film crew had intervened it does not prevent violence or death from occurring, as a matter of my opinion more could of been injured.
I guess it was taught to me by my father, the military, medical training, and/or when I went to the acadamy. Help other and don't just sit there and watch people die.....
Dam I wish I could be more passive.
I helped a Cop one time and I will never do it again.
I can't just automatically fault someone for not stepping in.
How many times have cops shot someone because they assumed bad intent? We are seeing the shooting of a man getting his cane just this week.
A cop in the middle of a fight, and the only possible scenario (in his mind at the time) is that the guy's friend is coming over to help him, not the cop. Now we have two people shot, and the other wrongly.
I'm also leery of automatically assuming anyone in a uniform is a cop. It's only a matter of time before it is far more prevalent for impersonators to use them for more and more evil.
If I came across two men fighting, not having seen what started it, I can't automatically assume the one in uniform is a cop, nor that he is the good guy. What is it that cops teach us to do? Stay out of it, and be a good witness. Hmmm, might be a perfect time for that.
Of course, you have the option to intervene, if you really think you know who the good guy is and you are willing to risk everyone else knowing you are another good guy.
I can't just automatically fault someone for not stepping in.
How many times have cops shot someone because they assumed bad intent? We are seeing the shooting of a man getting his cane just this week.
A cop in the middle of a fight, and the only possible scenario (in his mind at the time) is that the guy's friend is coming over to help him, not the cop. Now we have two people shot, and the other wrongly.
I'm also leery of automatically assuming anyone in a uniform is a cop. It's only a matter of time before it is far more prevalent for impersonators to use them for more and more evil.
If I came across two men fighting, not having seen what started it, I can't automatically assume the one in uniform is a cop, nor that he is the good guy. What is it that cops teach us to do? Stay out of it, and be a good witness. Hmmm, might be a perfect time for that.
Of course, you have the option to intervene, if you really think you know who the good guy is and you are willing to risk everyone else knowing you are another good guy.
It is reported that the cop was responding to a report of a assault. He had a reasonable belief based on the report he received/heard. As a reminder, there is no such thing as a detainment in MO, only arrest. Whether or not the cop cuffs and stuffs, or just talks, once you submit to his authority you are under arrest....may arrest on view, and without a warrant, any person the officer sees violating or who such officer has reasonable grounds to believe has violated any law of this state, including a misdemeanor or infraction, or has violated any ordinance over which such officer has jurisdiction.
Well said If you did not see every thing go down you could actually be helping the bad guy, and yes sometimes that bad guy is wearing a uniform.
Last time I helped I was cuffed as roughly as they could manage without drawing blood and then was jacked in the ribs twice by one of his buddies right before he removed the cuffs after he knew I had helped. Never again. There is nothing like getting cuffed by three Cops when they think you were in on hurting their buddy. The Cop I helped was yelling at them the entire time that I had helped him but they did not listen. You would have thought they might have noticed me and the Cop were holding the guy down when they arrived.
Well said If you did not see every thing go down you could actually be helping the bad guy, and yes sometimes that bad guy is wearing a uniform.
Last time I helped I was cuffed as roughly as they could manage without drawing blood and then was jacked in the ribs twice by one of his buddies right before he removed the cuffs after he knew I had helped. Never again. There is nothing like getting cuffed by three Cops when they think you were in on hurting their buddy. The Cop I helped was yelling at them the entire time that I had helped him but they did not listen. You would have thought they might have noticed me and the Cop were holding the guy down when they arrived.
Why the double post???
I hope you got a nice settlement from the department....if not you are stupid for not suing.
I guess it was taught to me by my father, the military, medical training, and/or when I went to the acadamy. Help other and don't just sit there and watch people die.....
Dam I wish I could be more passive.