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OCer denied Right to Vote at St. Joe County polls

vermonter

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My cousin lives in the county next to St Joe and we just chatted tonight about this. He saw it on the news. The media once again twists things like they did in Zimmerman/Martin. This guy is not a marine. He was in the Marines but was honorably discharged. He was not denied the right to vote, he was simply told to leave the gun in the car and he refused. If that was legal or not we will soon know as they are researching the legalities of carry in polling places. If it is not legal NOW it will be an issue and signs will go up. Not that they have force of law in Indiana. My cousin is an attorney specialising in self defense issues.
 

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1. If he was honorably discharged, he is a Marine. You always to refer to living honorably discharged Marines in the current tense.

2. I'm sure you have some other points, your lack of knowledge on #1 inclines me not to listen to whatever else you have to say.

My cousin lives in the county next to St Joe and we just chatted tonight about this. He saw it on the news. The media once again twists things like they did in Zimmerman/Martin. This guy is not a marine. He was in the Marines but was honorably discharged. He was not denied the right to vote, he was simply told to leave the gun in the car and he refused. If that was legal or not we will soon know as they are researching the legalities of carry in polling places. If it is not legal NOW it will be an issue and signs will go up. Not that they have force of law in Indiana. My cousin is an attorney specialising in self defense issues.
 

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My cousin lives in the county next to St Joe and we just chatted tonight about this. He saw it on the news. The media once again twists things like they did in Zimmerman/Martin. This guy is not a marine. He was in the Marines but was honorably discharged. He was not denied the right to vote, he was simply told to leave the gun in the car and he refused. If that was legal or not we will soon know as they are researching the legalities of carry in polling places. If it is not legal NOW it will be an issue and signs will go up. Not that they have force of law in Indiana. My cousin is an attorney specialising in self defense issues.
An honorably-discharged Marine veteran is still referred to as a Marine.

If it was legal for him to be armed, then he was most certainly denied the right to vote. You say "researching the legalities" as if that is an excuse for enforcing policies which may or may not be correct. Is that what you meant? How about allowing things while this "research" is taking place? Doesn't that make more sense?
 

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He was not denied the right to vote, he was simply told to leave the gun in the car and he refused.
He was denied the right to vote while legally armed.
If that was legal or not we will soon know as they are researching the legalities of carry in polling places.
It was legal as the polling place was a fire station. The police were told by both election officials as well as the Indiana State Police that he was legal, yet they still refused to let him vote while armed.

I hope he is successful suing them on 2A, civil, and election law violations.
 

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What did you say Vermonter? I couldn't hear you because your foot was too far in your mouth.

Actually the news is pretty spot on with no complaints from him that they did not portray it fairly. In fact the interviews alone are damning evidence to all of the "officials" involved.

I have a TON of respect for Marines, they are ALWAYS a Marine until they die.
 
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Herr Heckler Koch

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There is a poll on the new ABC57.com article page,

Should people be able to carry a handgun into a polling place?

If it's not illegal, what's the problem? 95%
I'm not sure. 0%
It doesn't seem safe. 5%
Total Votes: 261
 

skidmark

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[h=6]Should people be able to carry a handgun into a polling place?[/h]
If it's not illegal, what's the problem?


95%
I'm not sure.

0%
It doesn't seem safe.

5%
Total Votes: 260
If there is no law saying he cannot lawfully OC in that place, or that he canot lawfully OC while voting, telling him he cannot OC when in the polling place for the purpose of casting a vote is, no matter how someone tries to slice and dice it, denying him the right to vote.

If he has witnesses, or better yet witnesses and a recording of the incident, it should be something the DOJ investigates and brings criminal charges against at least the fire chief who told him he could not enter while OCing. Why do I have the feeling that no matter how much paperwork he files there will be a yawning chasm of nothingness as the DOJ's response?

stay safe.
 

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he is a former marine officer... so actually he was never discharged as an enlisted marine would be
A Marine is a Marine ALWAYS. There are NO Former Marines.

Taken from:
http://www.suicidecharley.com/Lates...dant-has-spoken-no-more-qformerq-marines.html
Marines, listen up! The Commandant has spoken! No more "former" Marines!
Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:49
Marine_CommandantCMC's Planning Guidance:

It begins with the Commandant's Priorities, then his Planning Guidance follow, and is in turn followed by some very important information, important to all of us. A quote from the Commandant, General James F. Amos:

"A Marine is a Marine. I set that policy two weeks ago - there's no such thing as a former Marine. You're a Marine, just in a different uniform and you're in a different phase of your life. But you'll always be a Marine because you went to Parris Island, San Diego or the hills of Quantico. There's no such thing as a former Marine."

The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General James F. Amos
 

Titanium_frost

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If there is no law saying he cannot lawfully OC in that place, or that he canot lawfully OC while voting, telling him he cannot OC when in the polling place for the purpose of casting a vote is, no matter how someone tries to slice and dice it, denying him the right to vote.

If he has witnesses, or better yet witnesses and a recording of the incident, it should be something the DOJ investigates and brings criminal charges against at least the fire chief who told him he could not enter while OCing. Why do I have the feeling that no matter how much paperwork he files there will be a yawning chasm of nothingness as the DOJ's response?

stay safe.
From what I have seen/read he recorded the incident, they interviewed the cops and chief who openly admitted to denying him the ability to vote while legally armed and there were several witnesses.

This could be VERY ugly for any official party to denying this man his Rights.
 
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A commenter cited this, "Indiana Code 3-5-4-4 Immunity from arrest while at or going to and from polls Sec. 4" but I have not been able to find an Illinois statute establishing the right to vote or its parameters.
 

smellslikemichigan

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A Marine is a Marine ALWAYS. There are NO Former Marines.

Taken from:
http://www.suicidecharley.com/Lates...dant-has-spoken-no-more-qformerq-marines.html
Marines, listen up! The Commandant has spoken! No more "former" Marines!
Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:49
Marine_CommandantCMC's Planning Guidance:

It begins with the Commandant's Priorities, then his Planning Guidance follow, and is in turn followed by some very important information, important to all of us. A quote from the Commandant, General James F. Amos:

"A Marine is a Marine. I set that policy two weeks ago - there's no such thing as a former Marine. You're a Marine, just in a different uniform and you're in a different phase of your life. But you'll always be a Marine because you went to Parris Island, San Diego or the hills of Quantico. There's no such thing as a former Marine."

The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General James F. Amos
that's cool, my brother (the subject of this thread) and i both got out of the USMC prior to that commandant guidance

(i still say the only real marines came from parris island, however) :banana:
 
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Titanium_frost

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that's cool, my brother (the subject of this thread) and i both got out of the USMC prior to that commandant guidance

(i still say the only real marines came from parris island, however) :banana:
Learn something new everyday... I thought that had been a long standing tradition in the Marines. (I did not serve in the military)
 

smellslikemichigan

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Learn something new everyday... I thought that had been a long standing tradition in the Marines. (I did not serve in the military)
yes, it is true, that there has always been the "once a marine, always a marine" and you will never hear a marine saying ex-marine. however, a lot of marines refer to themselves as former to differentiate between active duty and discharged.
 

Titanium_frost

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yes, it is true, that there has always been the "once a marine, always a marine" and you will never hear a marine saying ex-marine. however, a lot of marines refer to themselves as former to differentiate between active duty and discharged.
Gotcha! Tell your brother thanks for me. He has done us all very proud.
 

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If there is no law saying he cannot lawfully OC in that place, or that he canot lawfully OC while voting, telling him he cannot OC when in the polling place for the purpose of casting a vote is, no matter how someone tries to slice and dice it, denying him the right to vote.

If he has witnesses, or better yet witnesses and a recording of the incident, it should be something the DOJ investigates and brings criminal charges against at least the fire chief who told him he could not enter while OCing. Why do I have the feeling that no matter how much paperwork he files there will be a yawning chasm of nothingness as the DOJ's response?

stay safe.
If this was the November election and he was prevented from voting for Obama; Holder would have had him arrested by now. If he was going to vote for anyone else then I'm sure Holder would find his not being allowed to vote legal.
 
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