OC in Nevada

[28kfps]

Tactical training I go to teach the Stop or I will shoot statement loudly with quickness, firmness and extreme focus into what they call the ready stance. We practice it. The Freeze line was just for humor. Serious issues require serious actions. When snapping into a defense stance or mode, if done with quickness, firmness and extreme focus has a better chance of stopping the aggressor with no further actions needed.

 

[MAC702]

My buddy and I took the M35A2 "Deuce and a half" truck to the DMV for inspection today. We each had our 1911's, and we threw an M14 with loaded magazine into the rifle rack. Oh, and check out the reflection on the minivan next to us as we were turning onto Sahara.

 

[b0neZ]

My buddy and I took the M35A2 "Deuce and a half" truck to the DMV for inspection today. We each had our 1911's, and we threw an M14 with loaded magazine into the rifle rack. Oh, and check out the reflection on the minivan next to us as we were turning onto Sahara.

That takes OC to a whole new level! :lol:

Any reaction from the DMV employee who had to inspect that behemoth?

 

[MAC702]

That takes OC to a whole new level! :lol:

Any reaction from the DMV employee who had to inspect that behemoth?

"The Army is next door!" referring to the old adjacent National Guard building, which has a lot of HMMWVs and other modern newfangled crap in the lot.

He just treated it like any other, even though he had to read the VIN off the dash plate about 2" away from the rifle.

 

[ed2276]

I use the same 7 word command in my training that all bad guys understand 100% of the time, "Go ahead, and make my day, PUNK". You can always mix them up like, "I know what your thinking, did he fire 16 or 17 shots, well in all this excitement I loss count myself, so what you got to ask yourself is, Do you feel lucky, well do ya Punk".

LOL. Even the Dirty Harry line would be too much for me. I might end up saying something like, "Hey PUNK, how is your day? How will you make mine to go ahead?" And the other Dirty Harry speech is way too long. I have the double whammy of a poor memory for remembering lines and being a perfectionist. If I mess up anywhere along the line I'd have to go back to the beginning and start over again. Same outcome for me: screw driver in the chest.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

At Front sight we start with the "STOP RIGHT THERE" command, palms facing the bad guy. If he happens to be deaf, he should still get the point. It also is a good thing for surveillance cameras to pick up, as if he continues it will be an obvious escalation. If the BG chooses to advance we explode into presentation to the ready with "STOP OR I WILL SHOOT" If He doesn't stop, Step three is pretty self explanatory. It is nice to break it down into nuts and bolts like that because it is common that we freeze when attacked. (happened to me.)

 

[HPmatt]

So, his CCW permit isn't any good? He's been practicing Constitutional carry all this time without even realizing it. lol

And I bet the CCW permit was paid with no-good money - federal reserve notes instead of gold or silver.


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[HPmatt]

LOL. Even the Dirty Harry line would be too much for me. I might end up saying something like, "Hey PUNK, how is your day? How will you make mine to go ahead?" And the other Dirty Harry speech is way too long. I have the double whammy of a poor memory for remembering lines and being a perfectionist. If I mess up anywhere along the line I'd have to go back to the beginning and start over again. Same outcome for me: screw driver in the chest.

+1 [emoji28]


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[The Big Guy]

At Front sight we start with the "STOP RIGHT THERE" command, palms facing the bad guy. If he happens to be deaf, he should still get the point. It also is a good thing for surveillance cameras to pick up, as if he continues it will be an obvious escalation. If the BG chooses to advance we explode into presentation to the ready with "STOP OR I WILL SHOOT" If He doesn't stop, Step three is pretty self explanatory. It is nice to break it down into nuts and bolts like that because it is common that we freeze when attacked. (happened to me.)

All well and good but unfortunately a BG can close a 20 foot gap in less time than you have to react. I would submit that if you have time to do all that, the BG is already hesitant and/or at a momentarily safe distance. The ones you have to worry about are the ones that attack with no warning from close distance. You may only have time to draw and shoot, if that. Some BG's just don't wanna talk or listen to reason. Just a thought.

What do they teach about a situation like that?

TBG

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Proper verbal commands are short and crisp like stop, stay back, don't move, stay away if it gets too complicated one is more indent on what your saying then other things.

For most people shooting and talking are hard to do at the same time practice is the key.

A short verbal command is also easily understood by wittiness's and can help make your case if you have to shoot.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

All well and good but unfortunately a BG can close a 20 foot gap in less time than you have to react. I would submit that if you have time to do all that, the BG is already hesitant and/or at a momentarily safe distance. The ones you have to worry about are the ones that attack with no warning from close distance. You may only have time to draw and shoot, if that. Some BG's just don't wanna talk or listen to reason. Just a thought.

What do they teach about a situation like that?

TBG

A sudden close range unexpected attack is very hard to defend against,

Watching for warning signs, listening to your sixth sense, being aware of your surroundings and what is going on around you can help a lot.

The best defense might not be your fire arm but a quicker elbow to the face, a knee to the groin a sudden push away, jumping back out of the way.

Giving one some space for other options, Each situation is different and there is no one tried and true method that well work every time.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

All well and good but unfortunately a BG can close a 20 foot gap in less time than you have to react. I would submit that if you have time to do all that, the BG is already hesitant and/or at a momentarily safe distance. The ones you have to worry about are the ones that attack with no warning from close distance. You may only have time to draw and shoot, if that. Some BG's just don't wanna talk or listen to reason. Just a thought.

What do they teach about a situation like that?

TBG

A sudden close range unexpected attack is very hard to defend against,

Watching for warning signs, listening to your sixth sense, being aware of your surroundings and what is going on around you can help a lot.

The best defense might not be your fire arm but a quicker elbow to the face, a knee to the groin a sudden push away, jumping back out of the way, a hot cup of coffee to the face. With a good imagination one has a wide range of things that might help.

Giving one some space for other options, Each situation is different and there is no one tried and true method that well work every time.

 

[Grapeshot]

A sudden close range unexpected attack is very hard to defend against,

Watching for warning signs, listening to your sixth sense, being aware of your surroundings and what is going on around you can help a lot.

The best defense might not be your fire arm but a quicker elbow to the face, a knee to the groin a sudden push away, jumping back out of the way, a hot cup of coffee to the face. With a good imagination one has a wide range of things that might help.

Giving one some space for other options, Each situation is different and there is no one tried and true method that well work every time.

Moving away/backwards needs to be added to the training mix.

 

[CowboyKen]

Moving away/backwards needs to be added to the training mix.

Grape, I realize that you have not studied Nevada law. There is NO duty to retreat in Nevada. Doing as you suggest may well put you in a tactical and legal disadvantage.

Ken

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Grape, I realize that you have not studied Nevada law. There is NO duty to retreat in Nevada. Doing as you suggest may well put you in a tactical and legal disadvantage.

Ken

Moving away could also put you at a tactical and or legal advantage also. Depending on the situation hard and fast rules do not always fit each situation.

 

[JoeSparky]

Grape, I realize that you have not studied Nevada law. There is NO duty to retreat in Nevada. Doing as you suggest may well put you in a tactical and legal disadvantage.

Ken

EXCEPT when used as a tactical method to increase the distance the attacker must travel to get to his intended victim and also to give the defender more time in which to defend which is my take on Grapeshot's comment!

 

[odesskiy]

My buddy and I took the M35A2 "Deuce and a half" truck to the DMV for inspection today. We each had our 1911's, and we threw an M14 with loaded magazine into the rifle rack. Oh, and check out the reflection on the minivan next to us as we were turning onto Sahara.

Damn, I wanna hang out with you and your buddy!

 

[odesskiy]

If you were that scared of the neighborhood then you should have just not went in the first place. A lot of (minorities) live behind the Stratosphere LOL! No offense but some people are a little too paranoid.

Different circumstances in life take us to different places. Few years back I had to stay with my friend for a month while I was looking for a house to rent. It was taking a while as not too many landlords are willing to take a tenant with a rottweiler. He lived around Lake Mead and Martin Luther King. That entire month I carried two guns and I think my neck was hurting from all the looking around. Would you call it paranoia?

 

[Grapeshot]

Moving away/backwards needs to be added to the training mix.

Grape, I realize that you have not studied Nevada law. There is NO duty to retreat in Nevada. Doing as you suggest may well put you in a tactical and legal disadvantage.

Ken

Not speaking to any "duty to retreat," putting space/distance between oneself and an attacker, even the act of moving off the X, has much good going for it.

Please direct me as to how trying to withdraw or avoiding targeting innocents might place one at a legal disadvantage.

 

[mp06011999]

Went shooting in the desert yesterday. Been awhile. Anyhow, oc'd my Smith 5906. I usually carry the little Bersa because I have stomach issues that make it uncomfortable to have my belt tight and the little Bersa is so lightweight I don't need to.

Anyhow, because I was going shooting and enjoy the "Stainless Tank" I opted to carry the big boy. It felt GREAT. A bunch of neighbors were out too as I was loading the truck for shooting. Being the big boy it was more than obvious I was oc. MY neighbors, who had originally read me the riot act for oc a few years back, were silent. They have gone from being vocal opponents to quiet supporters of my oc.

How sweet is that!?!

And man I really gotta carry that Stainless Tank more. What a nice shooting workhorse.


Not my actual one, but a sample.