O.C. Vigils on January 8th?

[badkarma]

KOMO just aired its coverage of the event. There were quite a few crowd shots, some of which focused on our guns, and a small clip of Eric's interview.

Note to self: look less fat on tv.

 

[FMCDH]

"Among those gathered and listening intently were several men openly carrying weapons holstered to their hips."


...and what about the WOMAN carrying a weapon holstered on HER hips? News fail.

Typical media observation skills.

I also see quite a few areas where they could have made a better effort to be more clear. One of which would be to clarify that the

"young man, clearly distraught, who rushed to the front of the gathering to demand "What are you doing? We have homeless people all over this country and you are making a mockery of it right now."

was not part of the OC group which they mentioned the paragraph just before. Even reading the article objectively, I can see people interpreting it that. News double fail.

 

[badkarma]

Eric,

The reporter said you were for gun control. Is this true? What gun control are you for?

Another case of journelistic liberty. Ms Dinh mis-represented the interview.

 

[FMCDH]

Another case of journelistic liberty. Ms Dinh mis-represented the interview.

This is why many here are weary about giving interviews to media, especially due to most local media having a liberal bend. Many of us have done it just to find our statements chopped up in the editing room and mis-represented so that the context is nearly if not completely lost, or even bent back on us.

Its amazing what they can do with 5 seconds of material to ruin the message of a 30 second interview.

 

[boosteddreams]

Typical media observation skills.

No kidding.

This is why many here are weary about giving interviews to media, especially due to most local media having a liberal bend. Many of us have done it just to find our statements chopped up in the editing room and mis-represented so that the context is nearly if not completely lost, or even bent back on us.

Its amazing what they can do with 5 seconds of material to ruin the message of a 30 second interview.

And that is EXACTLY why I declined.

 

[ghosthunter]

Personally I see no point in attanding this rally.They will take it, as will any media as trying to be confrontational.Those that go seem to me want to be in their face and say look at me! This is not the forum for us.Let them have their vigil as is their right.If and when they try to push their agenda with the state legislator is when I will get involved and would hope we could at that time bring the numbers.Their vigil at this point doesn't threaten anyones rights.I will wait and see what they will do next.They are so outnumbered in this state and we have come such a long way I will be careful not to put the wrong image in front of the media.So for now I don't see the point in marching around their vigil trying to get noticed.We will have our say !

I agree with DEROS

They just want to get in the news. Let them be.

 

[gogodawgs]

KOMO 4 story with video...

http://downtownseattle.komonews.com/news/community-spirit/706797-victims-gun-violence-honored-vigil

[video=youtube_share;uMsj9mno7W0]http://youtu.be/uMsj9mno7W0[/video]

 

[FMCDH]

Six rules to know when dealing with the media...

Rule #1
Remember that the media are not there to report facts, they are there to get material to tell a story.

Rule #2
Facts are boring and make people tune out, stories are interesting and keep people watching.

Rule #3
The people who do the reporting are rarely the same people who control the editing.

Rule #4
Context is a low priority consideration to that of flow of story and time slot restrictions.

Rule #5
If your statement is cohesive but longer than 5 seconds, it will be edited.

Rule #6
If your statement is cohesive but too short to be edited, and it doesn't fit the flow of the story, it will be cut.

I'm sure these are not the only rules, just mine.

 

[jsanchez]

Let me answer GoGodawgs question. There is only one gun control law that I don't have a problem with, it comes from california. If you leave a gun out and a kid gets it and hurts himself or someone else, the gun owner goes to prison for 2 years. I'm cool with that. And thats it.

I love the way they got what i told them turned around in the video clip. They paint me as one of them, anti gun. Saying my relative was hurt by gun violence, then they show me, and I nail them on guns are ok, open carry is ok, never been a problem. Talk about driving a stake in a vampires heart, I absolutly love that!

Look at the news article, nailed it again there. Two for two out of the gate. Not bad.

Boosteddream rocked the interview, absolutly rocked the interview. She is hands down the best public speaker on open carry I have ever heard. Badkarma is also extrremely talented on the subjects.

So Im standing there listening to their brillence, absolute brillence, but they didn't want to go on camera, because this if their first rodeo. I'm standing there with my mouth open, can't believe they are not going to interview. Also I was a little upset with what I heard from the anti's, so I jumped in. Thank God my wife dosen't watch the news, so I've dodge that bullet.

You know to all those people who say don't do interviews, I say America is the home of the BRAVE, don't be fearful of what they could do to it, just use your freedom of speech.

Here's the first of three video's I posted on youtube, taken at the vigil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdUZsrjztdU

Ralph said he wanted to ban open carry but I didn't get the video because I had to stop at the 9 minute mark and restart my video recorder, but he did say it.

 

[FMCDH]

SNIP...

Ralph said he wanted to ban open carry but I didn't get the video because I had to stop at the 9 minute mark and restart my video recorder, but he did say it.

Next time I will try and join you and bring my camera that does 1080P video. I also have an audio recorder that does excellent stereo recording.

We can also do a summary and rebuttal session afterward. Since all you seem to have recorded "with no comments" is the vigil itself, it could be mis-construed that you are posting it in support to anyone who just stumbles upon it.

 

[Citizen]

Why don't we just seize the initiative and have vigils for unarmed victims of gun violence ourselves?

After every crime, some gun guys have a little vigil near the scene, or maybe monthly.

And, maybe periodically have a vigil for the 20m disarmed people killed by their governments during the 20th century. You could take that long list, the ones with Turks killing Armenians through the Khymer Rouge and have one vigil a month for them for a year.

Have one for each of the school shootings like Columbine thru VA tech. Actually, there were quite a few, so that ought to tie up several months and lots of candles.

Its gonna be really, really hard for anybody to attack us as knuckle-dragging barbarians if we're there first with candles in hand memorializing the unarmed victims.

Each vigil could end with a rally encouraging people to stop being a potential victim and take up self-defense.

 

[FMCDH]

Why don't we just seize the initiative and have vigils for unarmed victims of gun violence ourselves?

After every crime, some gun guys have a little vigil near the scene, or maybe monthly.

And, maybe periodically have a vigil for the 20m disarmed people killed by their governments during the 20th century. You could take that long list, the ones with Turks killing Armenians through the Khymer Rouge and have one vigil a month for them for a year.

Have one for each of the school shootings like Columbine thru VA tech. Actually, there were quite a few, so that ought to tie up several months and lots of candles.

Its gonna be really, really hard for anybody to attack us as knuckle-dragging barbarians if we're there first with candles in hand memorializing the unarmed victims.

Each vigil could end with a rally encouraging people to stop being a potential victim and take up self-defense.

Controlling our own media as it were.

I like the idea in theory. I would be willing to post them on my YouTube channel.

 

[Metalhead47]

Why don't we just seize the initiative and have vigils for unarmed victims of gun violence ourselves?

After every crime, some gun guys have a little vigil near the scene, or maybe monthly.

And, maybe periodically have a vigil for the 20m disarmed people killed by their governments during the 20th century. You could take that long list, the ones with Turks killing Armenians through the Khymer Rouge and have one vigil a month for them for a year.

Have one for each of the school shootings like Columbine thru VA tech. Actually, there were quite a few, so that ought to tie up several months and lots of candles.

Its gonna be really, really hard for anybody to attack us as knuckle-dragging barbarians if we're there first with candles in hand memorializing the unarmed victims.

Each vigil could end with a rally encouraging people to stop being a potential victim and take up self-defense.

You, sir, are a genius.

 

[FMJ 911]

That is a great idea!

 

[badkarma]

Today is the litter clean up, an event that highlights the good that gun owners contribute. Instead of the confrontational approach which you are choosing in going to their event....

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?93812-Armed-Litter-Crew-Ahead

How did the clean up go?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Next time I will try and join you and bring my camera that does 1080P video. I also have an audio recorder that does excellent stereo recording.

We can also do a summary and rebuttal session afterward. Since all you seem to have recorded "with no comments" is the vigil itself, it could be mis-construed that you are posting it in support to anyone who just stumbles upon it.

Great Idea, and with most news having blogs and links on their stories you can then link the "real" footage so people can see the creative editing.

Why don't we just seize the initiative and have vigils for unarmed victims of gun violence ourselves?

After every crime, some gun guys have a little vigil near the scene, or maybe monthly.

And, maybe periodically have a vigil for the 20m disarmed people killed by their governments during the 20th century. You could take that long list, the ones with Turks killing Armenians through the Khymer Rouge and have one vigil a month for them for a year.

Have one for each of the school shootings like Columbine thru VA tech. Actually, there were quite a few, so that ought to tie up several months and lots of candles.

Its gonna be really, really hard for anybody to attack us as knuckle-dragging barbarians if we're there first with candles in hand memorializing the unarmed victims.

Each vigil could end with a rally encouraging people to stop being a potential victim and take up self-defense.

Let me buy stock in candle companies first . But this isn't a bad idea.

Maybe I should have showed up with a sign at this event how native wood carver was a victim of "gun violence" (such a week term guns don't commit violence) and his murderer has been protected by our local government.

 

[massivedesign]

How did the clean up go?

Don't ask...

 

[BrownC6]

Hey everyone, I have to say even with the expected twist from the media I think the overall even went well. had some thought about it later and the naive idea came to mind to try maybe talking to people like the congressman if attending similar events, like i said naive but who knows.

Thanks to everyone that came out it was great getting to meet you all and hope to see you around at more events, next time ill plan out not being kidnapped right away by a 5 year old by the end haha.

 

[badkarma]

There were 7 of us there. 4 I had never met and 3 of us are regulars at OC events. Eric decided to talk to the media. I and BOOSTEDREAMS decided not to talk to them and explained that we were private citizens. They tried everything though, from just asking for our name for a picture to asking our opinion on what was said. They even used pretty girls. I declined every request.

Besides 2 Occupy Seattle guys interrupting the event, it was quiet. Lots of "Facts" coming out from the "Office of Miss-Information" that is WCF and Jim.

I think the only thing we all can agree on is we would like to prevent gun violence. How that happens is where we have a difference of opinion. I believe that being tougher on criminals and going after criminals is the key(Just one aspect but top of the list). They believe taking guns out of the hands of lawful Americans is the answer.

Their "Facts" were all over the place. Most had a doctors name behind it which they felt brought some legitimacy to their "facts". It was easy to see right through it if you didn't let the dog and pony show of the "vigil" cloud your mind. This was not a vigil but a political platform to spew miss-information to ~20 people. All who were drinking the kool-aid before they came to the event.

I would like to point out that if you are interested in OC or CC or just more information about it let me know. There are a few of us on waguns.org and plenty on opencarry.org that can give you some information and let you know when our next event is.

When it closed up, I went to the table to pick up their brochure. I delivered an opencarry.org brochure on the table and it sat there until the table was picked up by the organizer. Many people saw it and I know were none too happy. I really wanted to get a photo with Jim and Ralf holding one of the opencarry.org brochures since they said they support legal firearm ownership.

 

[badkarma]

In regards to my OC experience:

It was great. Not only did I have fellow OCers at the event, I had no issue walking around Westlake by myself. I even asked a security gaurd for directions and they were more than happy to help me out. No comments but a few glances. Again, if your new to OC or would like to start exercising your right, come out to one of our meet ups(usually Monthly in the north and south ends). I think it is a great place to start exersicing your legal rights.