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NRA called today: $10,000 FINE

since9

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Despite the fact that I'm on both state and federal DO NOT CALL registries, the NRA called for the THIRD time this year. I recorded the call. I will be submitting my complaint to federal authorities momentarily and will be asking for the FULL amount.

Apparently, the NRA doesn't understand DO NOT CALL any better than they understand SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
 

eye95

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Good luck. The FCC doesn’t seem to be enforcing those regulations.

My proposed solution:

1. Require phone companies to provide the real phone numbers of callers, or “blocked”. Don’t allow them to pass along spoofed numbers. The phone companies KNOW the callers’ numbers. Yet they allow spoofing. Make this practice illegal.

2. Charge all callers 25 cents to call a cell phone. Called party gets most of the fee. A small part is shared by the involved phone companies.

3. Waive the fee if the calling number is not blocked and is in the called phones contacts list.

4. Waive the fee if the called party touches a button labeled “Accept call and waive fee”. The calling phone number is then added to the contacts list of the called phone.

Spam calls will end almost immediately.
 

Ghost1958

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Just don't answer numbers you don't know.

That's what voice mail is for.

They don't leave a voice mail block the number. Maybe block it anyway.
 

eye95

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Unless you have unlimited minutes (which many of us don’t have—nor should we have to have), voicemail costs money.

My solution uses free-market forces
 

Ghost1958

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Unless you have unlimited minutes (which many of us don’t have—nor should we have to have), voicemail costs money.

My solution uses free-market forces
35 dollars a month gets you unlimited minutes talk text and data.

I seriously doubt there are MANY that don't have unlimired minutes.

Your solution is just more gov regulation which we ready have way to much of
 

eye95

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35 dollars a month gets you unlimited minutes talk text and data.

I seriously doubt there are MANY that don't have unlimired minutes.

Your solution is just more gov regulation which we ready have way to much of
I spend less than that.

Rules that bar lying are not “excessive government rules”. It’s kinda one of the inarguable functions of government: to prevent fraud.
 

Ghost1958

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I spend less than that.

Rules that bar lying are not “excessive government rules”. It’s kinda one of the inarguable functions of government: to prevent fraud.
OK 25 will get you unlimited talk text minutes and 2g data.
Gov function . Now there is a contradiction in terms.

Gov function is NOT to insert itself into every nook and cranny of everyone's life. Some self responsibility to take care of at least ones minor problems without a gov nanny would go a long way toward powering down a gov absolutely drunk with power.
 

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Again, it is a legitimate government function to tell people that they cannot commit fraud. Not fruitful to discuss this with you further.
 

Ghost1958

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Again, it is a legitimate government function to tell people that they cannot commit fraud. Not fruitful to discuss this with you further.
How is calling a person fraud?
Your free to answer or not.
Since9 is handling the NRA issue himself. Not trying to brainstorm some major, unworkable, "solution "

Yep. Disscussing this issue with u is pointless obviously.
 

2a4all

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I too am on the Federal Do Not Cal list, and have been since it was established. Until recently, I have enjoyed the lack of telemarketers/robo calls, but now I get several such calls a day. I don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the caller, and they don't leave a message.

My land line provider has a feature called "Avoid a Call", which when activated blocks all calls except those on a list I control. Sadly, the list is limited, so I have to choose wisely.

I use my cell phone's privacy feature to limit inbound calls to those in my contact list.

Blocking calls is rarely effective, since telemarketers just change their calling number or spoof a fake one. And yes, they can (and have) spoofed the calling number to be my own.

As the telephone system is (partially) supported by a tax upon the subscriber, and because there are rules regarding CallerID and telemarketing calls, I want the feds to clamp down on these activities. Enforce the damn law!
 

WalkingWolf

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I don't answer unknown numbers, so far I have not got any calls from the NRA they probably don't have my number. I joined last year because it angered the rabid anits like David Hogg. But when they did not defend bump stocks, and were weak on red flag laws that money now goes to SAF, and GOA.
 

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download re-route appz and havetheir calls routed to the DNC main office.
 
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Ghost1958

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I too am on the Federal Do Not Cal list, and have been since it was established. Until recently, I have enjoyed the lack of telemarketers/robo calls, but now I get several such calls a day. I don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the caller, and they don't leave a message.

My land line provider has a feature called "Avoid a Call", which when activated blocks all calls except those on a list I control. Sadly, the list is limited, so I have to choose wisely.

I use my cell phone's privacy feature to limit inbound calls to those in my contact list.

Blocking calls is rarely effective, since telemarketers just change their calling number or spoof a fake one. And yes, they can (and have) spoofed the calling number to be my own.

As the telephone system is (partially) supported by a tax upon the subscriber, and because there are rules regarding CallerID and telemarketing calls, I want the feds to clamp down on these activities. Enforce the damn law!
Telemarketers are part of the capitalist system. Clamping down on free enterprise is NOT the feds job.

I have a basic phone set up and have little problem blocking calls I don't want.
 

solus

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Wait till you get a call from your own number...no didn’t answer it cuz it might have been from the future/past :sneaky: and i didn’t leave a voice msg!

[note to self...next time i call myself leave a voice msg so i know what i wanted!]
 

2a4all

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Telemarketers are part of the capitalist system. Clamping down on free enterprise is NOT the feds job.

I have a basic phone set up and have little problem blocking calls I don't want.
Annoying people in their own homes using the telephone service those folks pay for is nothing more than an invasion of their privacy, and is NOT "free enterprise".
Care to share your "blocking technique" with those of us who don't have your technological savvy of the telephone system?

"The do-not-call list was slated to take effect on October 1, 2003, but two federal district court decisions almost delayed it. One from Oklahoma was overcome by special legislation giving the FTC specific jurisdiction over the matter. The other from Colorado revolved around questions of regulation of commercial speech and threatened to delay implementation of the list. However, President Bush signed a bill authorizing the no-call list to go ahead in September 2003. Finally, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit on February 17, 2004, upheld the constitutionality of the law."
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Tenth_Circuit
 

Ghost1958

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Nothing special about it.

I don't answer calls from numbers not on my contact list.
And there are plenty of ID and blocking apps for phones. I use HIYA.

As to the "federal list ". We see that working about as well as most other federal efforts.

Supreme Court upheld NFA, GCA, and a ton of other unconstititonal tripe. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Junk calls aren't something I relish.
But we don't need anymore laws and regulations to deal with em.
 

Ghost1958

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HIYA spam scam with In App purchases that don’t help. BTDT
Works fine for me. But yes let's take the scheme presented roll the clock back a few decades and charge anyone calling 25 cents to call on top of plan charges.

No wonder we live in a nanny state when folks can't even deal with their phone.
 

eye95

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Annoying people in their own homes using the telephone service those folks pay for is nothing more than an invasion of their privacy, and is NOT "free enterprise".
Care to share your "blocking technique" with those of us who don't have your technological savvy of the telephone system?

"The do-not-call list was slated to take effect on October 1, 2003, but two federal district court decisions almost delayed it. One from Oklahoma was overcome by special legislation giving the FTC specific jurisdiction over the matter. The other from Colorado revolved around questions of regulation of commercial speech and threatened to delay implementation of the list. However, President Bush signed a bill authorizing the no-call list to go ahead in September 2003. Finally, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit on February 17, 2004, upheld the constitutionality of the law."
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Tenth_Circuit
Good post. I would like to add:

Requiring that the caller not lie about who they are is not “clamping down on free enterprise”. Spoofing telephone numbers to trick people into answering calls that would cause them to have to pay to take the call is, at least on a moral level, fraud. Stopping such behavior is kinda the point of having government.

The government making spoofing (commercial lying) illegal, combined with one or more telephone companies choosing to implement a pay-to-call system (with waivers) is a free-market solution.
 

Ghost1958

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Good post. I would like to add:

Requiring that the caller not lie about who they are is not “clamping down on free enterprise”. Spoofing telephone numbers to trick people into answering calls that would cause them to have to pay to take the call is, at least on a moral level, fraud. Stopping such behavior is kinda the point of having government.

The government making spoofing (commercial lying) illegal, combined with one or more telephone companies choosing to implement a pay-to-call system (with waivers) is a free-market solution.
They will not institute a pay to call system. They like to remain in business.

I pay for a plan with unlimited call text and data. I'm NOT paying another 25 cents because people have grown so helpless they can't deal with their own phone.

BTW Eye, that plan costs 35 bucks a month, no contract. Try it. Youll like it.
 
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