NOT the way to Open Carry....

[Interceptor_Knight]

More or less that "warning" is simply legaleese to protect Colt. Think about it...if the gun "goes off" when the bolt closes what is to prevent this same firearm from going "full auto" every time you fire one round?

In general, the odds of a slam fire with a semiautomatic rifle are greater when dropping the bolt on a single round place by hand into the chamber instead of stripping a round off of the magazine or clip because of the bolt velocity. It is even more unlikely to happen while you are firing the weapon with the next round unless the firing pin is being held forward by contamination or mechanical failure such as hammer follow, etc.

 

[rcawdor57]

In general, the odds of a slam fire with a semiautomatic rifle are greater when dropping the bolt on a single round place by hand into the chamber instead of stripping a round off of the magazine or clip because of the bolt velocity. It is even more unlikely to happen while you are firing the weapon with the next round unless the firing pin is being held forward by contamination or mechanical failure such as hammer follow, etc.

Agree. I've fired many rounds through AR's of many makes and models and have never had a slam fire (all 5.56). An SKS is another story....be careful with one of those when closing the bolt.

 

[NoTolerance]

I bet you believe guns fornicate when left alone.

If only that were true. I could use a bunch of baby guns!

 

[chowda]

There is nothing wrong with exercising your right to carry.

I've often heard someone say, "with rights come responsibilities".
On the bright side, at least they were presentable to john and jane public.
On the dull/stupid side, what are the john/jane public's exposure to open carry people? Are they accustomed to 'a lot' of normal people carrying around pistols on their belts or in a shoulder bag purse holster? Or will j/j public's view be some people walking around commercial shopping districts with the dreaded 'assault rifle' and some other 'evil black rifle/thing'?

Gov. Walker is planning on taking 100 million and giving it back to the taxpayers of this state. Is there anything we can do to give that a bad image? Maybe help the liberal/progressives promote their stereotype to the ignorant?

 

[chowda]

Indeed, but then I never argued this man should be prosecuted, only that he's negligent and dangerous.

What they did was not negligent, nor dangerous. It was stereotypically stupid, but in a free country, stupidity cannot be controlled.

 

[marshaul]

What they did was not negligent, nor dangerous. It was stereotypically stupid, but in a free country, stupidity cannot be controlled.

It was negligent.

Anyone, I haven't been arguing we need to use the law to punish this guy.

I've merely saying we should shun him. You can't "fix" stupid, especially using government, but you can certainly call it what it is, and distance yourself from it.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

I've merely saying we should shun him.

There is no reason to eat our own. I have already provided feedback and he is purchasing a different sling. He may already have it by now.

 

[WalkingWolf]

We should shun hoplophobes within our own ranks. These closet antis are a abscess on the second amendment.

 

[marshaul]

We should shun hoplophobes within our own ranks. These closet antis are a abscess on the second amendment.

If I'm your example of either a "closet anti" or a "hoplophobe", then you need help, frankly.

 

[marshaul]

There is no reason to eat our own.

When did we get from non-association to cannibalism?

I have already provided feedback and he is purchasing a different sling. He may already have it by now.

Well, there you go. A bit of social pressure and the issue is rectified. Plus, he doesn't need to be shunned if he addresses his behavior.

Why, then, are you guys opposing the application of social pressure? It's really a no-brainer.

 

[WalkingWolf]

If I'm your example of either a "closet anti" or a "hoplophobe", then you need help, frankly.

A) You believe a firearm can discharge by itself without being handled~~ANTI!

B) You have demonstrated that you are not only scared of long guns, but do not believe that long gun carry is applicable~~HOPLOPHOBE!

c) You only believe that what fits YOU is what the second amendment is.~~ANTI!

I believe in recent postings you have made it very clear your anti fears and bias...

 

[marshaul]

A) You believe a firearm can discharge by itself without being handled~~ANTI!

"By itself" is not the same thing as "without being handled". Guns do – rarely – fire when nobody is handling them (or, at least, intending to handle them), usually because something else bumps the trigger. This is why holsters for modern pistols cover the trigger. I mean, duh.

This most commonly happens when someone is carrying in the waistband with no holster. Why? Because nothing is preventing someone or something from touching the trigger – just like with a slung rifle.

Folks who carry in the waistband should use a holster, and folks who carry a slung rifle should make sure it's pointing up. I'm not saying we need laws to enforce this, I'm simply saying I won't associate myself with folks who don't care enough about safety to make these simple fixes.

B) You have demonstrated that you are not only scared of long guns, but do not believe that long gun carry is applicable~~HOPLOPHOBE!

Straw man of epic proportions. I said clearly that my issue isn't the carry of long guns per se, but carry where the long gun is unnecessarily and avoidably pointing at people.

c) You only believe that what fits YOU is what the second amendment is.~~ANTI!

Seeing as the second amendment applies to government (and only government), and I have at no point advocated any laws restricting the carry of long guns (or anything else), this is of course a lie.

I believe in recent postings you have made it very clear your anti fears and bias...

I believe in recent postings you have made it very clear that you have nothing to bring to this discussion but lies, straw men, and name-calling, revealing how shaky your position is, and how insecure in it you are.

 

[chowda]

NOW that is really stupid, you have no idea that the gun is loaded.

I agree. GB cops have to deal with illegals selling their heroin, stabbing/shooting each other, growing reefer also for sale to the locals, prostitution, drugs and gang violence brought up from the urban trash out of chicago/milwaukee, all sorts of imported crime.

So, in an urban commercial retail district, down the street strolls two white boys, one with a shotgun and one with an 'assault weapon' (AR).
Do those kid clowns have nothing better to do?
Don't the GB cops have better things to do that give attention to those two white boys--that apparently are yearning for attention as they play army or secret agent or, well, I have no idea what's in those kids minds.

So, back to what you are saying...."you have no idea that the gun is loaded". If the debate has boiled down to this level of minutiae, then we might as well just talk about primers and reloading. Oops......

Cops are referees in society's streets and homes. Most are conservative, pro firearm people, even in the larger liberal/progressive ran cities. They deal with silly ****, political **** and real trash every day. Now, down the street come two (dumbass) males with long guns..... Yeah baby, that's the good stuff. Strut your ****, then whine if anyone notices and actually raises a question....

You are only making an assumption.

Ask any cop about making "assumptions".

 

[chowda]

It was negligent.

I don't know if you're a unique account or not, or a 'friendly' one, but those two clown kids are just being dumbasses. Negligence has nothing to do with it.
Dumbass kids playing dumbass games (in safe, low crime white areas) are, well, have I said those kids are dumbasses yet?

If they are concerned about 'self protection' in an urban area, then concealed carrying a pistol is their best bet.
If they are concerned about helping others from being victimized, then concealed carry again would be the best.
Open carry would be FAR better, a much greater deterrent for such things if more people did...and carried pistols.
But if normal people view open carry as walking around shopping areas with long guns, then even less people will open carry pistols...but there still will be the 10 people in the state that will do OC with long guns.

Yeah baby, that's 8 ways of smart...........

 

[OC for ME]

Thanks for the LE viewpoint.

 

[gatorbait51]

Hoof in mouth diease, I have it

No it is not my assertion. Only watched first moments of video didnt watch enough to see the retard pointing the muzzle everywhere. Took your post to be against the carry of rifle my mistake you have my appologies sir.

I will be certain to watch all of the videos from now on before inserting my foot in my mouth.

Next time, call me , I'l send some tabasco :- ).
I need a jerry can for my gaffes ..

 

[WalkingWolf]

"By itself" is not the same thing as "without being handled". Guns do – rarely – fire when nobody is handling them (or, at least, intending to handle them), usually because something else bumps the trigger. This is why holsters for modern pistols cover the trigger. I mean, duh.

This most commonly happens when someone is carrying in the waistband with no holster. Why? Because nothing is preventing someone or something from touching the trigger – just like with a slung rifle.

Folks who carry in the waistband should use a holster, and folks who carry a slung rifle should make sure it's pointing up. I'm not saying we need laws to enforce this, I'm simply saying I won't associate myself with folks who don't care enough about safety to make these simple fixes.



Straw man of epic proportions. I said clearly that my issue isn't the carry of long guns per se, but carry where the long gun is unnecessarily and avoidably pointing at people.



Seeing as the second amendment applies to government (and only government), and I have at no point advocated any laws restricting the carry of long guns (or anything else), this is of course a lie.



I believe in recent postings you have made it very clear that you have nothing to bring to this discussion but lies, straw men, and name-calling, revealing how shaky your position is, and how insecure in it you are.

You have made it clear in several threads you have a problem with long gun carry, even to the point of blaming long gun OC for Starbucks. You can not like it, try to divert it, wrap it up however you like it, you are anti long gun. This video is nothing more than another emotional display of your fear and blame. You have not even shown one case of a ND of a long gun OC'd in public.

As you have brought no proof only emotion to this discussion I surmise it is you who is prostrating lies.

 

[marshaul]

You have made it clear in several threads you have a problem with long gun carry, even to the point of blaming long gun OC for Starbucks.

Another lie.

I blamed folks who don't OC as a matter of routine trying to make a cute point with "Starbucks appreciation days" by standing around with weapons in hand taking selfies.

Lies and distortions: exactly the sort of tactics employed by the antis. Great job.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Another lie.

I blamed folks who don't OC as a matter of routine trying to make a cute point with "Starbucks appreciation days" by standing around with weapons in hand taking selfies.

Lies and distortions: exactly the sort of tactics employed by the antis. Great job.

You can keep bellowing it is a lie, but you did exactly what antis do, as far as I am concerned you are a anti.

 

[chowda]

Thanks for the LE viewpoint.

You're welcome.

The LE community is the gun community's greatest asset. Whenever ant-gun people put on their dog and pony media shows, they always use women and children.....and LEOs. Most of society views LEOs as a trusted, authority. We should always keep in mind that LEOs can be our best friends and best public relations people. Think of a picture where two LEOs are standing around, laughing with a few OC people, dressed as 'normal people' with pistols holstered on their belts....on a public street, market, etc.
That picture would go LIGHT YEARS in furthering the acceptance of OC for non gun or hunters/etc. in the general population....not to mention in the LE community.

Know why a cop is apprehensive when they see someone walking down the street towards them with a Modern Sporting Rifle (AR)?
Because they are immediately outgunned. And they have no ballistic protection against it. That's never a good feeling, especially if you have no idea why the person is doing what they are doing and assumptions can and do get them killed.

Let's keep our friends and be friendly towards them. They are our biggest asset.