New Castle County Get-Together #2!

[Wynder]

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dave_in_delaware wrote:

If you all could do me a favor and take a look at the cards I passed out, I'd like to get your opinions on what to change, or add, or delete, to make them worthy cards for passing out to the public in order to educate them on OC (or to tell them they've lost our business, depending on which card it is). Thanks!!

I'll be starting the "Get-together #3" thread in a minute....

[Update: I just sent IHOP Corporate a "letter" of praise (via their website feedback form) for their great handling of our group. I thanked them for being "pro-2nd Amendment" and for wanting us to come back again. Hopefully, like last time, they'll forward my comments to the local franchise owner and manager.]

I sent one out as well last night when I got home -- I think it's important that the managers know that we appreciate their attitude and they have our business.

Regarding the business cards, I think they look great... I think the No Guns = No Money could maybe bit a bit less wordy (the back) and maybe still get the point across... I like presenting all of the scenarios, but maybe an easier to read/not statutory wording might make it more comprehendable or better get the point across.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mr. Bruce]

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Just wanted to thank everyone for a great time last night. It was a pleasure to meet you all and see some faces. The message board is great but like it was said.... face to face discussion is a bit better sometimes.

On topic of the cards.. I think they look great. On the protest card.... you state that we've noticed your sign....what if they just tell you to leave? Is there another wording of that phrase to encompass all situations?

Looking forward to the next meeting.

 

[sprat]

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Thank you all for allowing a out of stater from Florida of all places to attend yuor second meeting. Hopefully soon I will be a resident.

I was glad to finally put a face to the names and to sit and converse with you all, I think I spoke to everyone. I have forwarded the pictures ( mug shot) of the meeting and look forward to attending future meetings if I am up north. its cold up here!!

Thank you for showing me your hospitality

Sprat (Jack)

 

[sellahr]

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Thank you for another great meeting. Nice to see that our little group has gotten much larger. I did notice the lady at the register also. She did look like she was terrified by all of us. Can't wait till next month to see everyone again.

 

[radnor]

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Well, that sucks! I think you all had a great time. I was going to make it but knowing what my day today was going to be like (new thread), I decided to stay home and watch a movie with my wife.

Thanks for the mug shot. It's great to see what all of you look like,

 

[ChefW]

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You wouldn't happen to have another copy of the photo? I didn't get one. Thanks b:celebrate

 

[Wynder]

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ChefW wrote:

You wouldn't happen to have another copy of the photo? I didn't get one. Thanks b:celebrate

Check our state forums here, I posted it last night.

 

[dave_in_delaware]

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Well, just for the heck of it, and since someone mentioned this guy at our meeting, I thought I'd post the motivational poster I made of this brainiac:

bwahahaaa!!!

 

[Wynder]

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Dear Mr. Wynder:

Thank you for sharing the details of your visit to the IHOP restaurant in New Castle. It is always a pleasure to hear from a satisfied guest.

It is our desire to have our guests find their visits to IHOP an enjoyable experience. We are delighted that we were able to accomplish our goal. Your comments will be forwarded to IHOP's Franchise Business Consultant for the North region. They will share your comments with the franchise owner of this restaurant.

On behalf of the New Castle IHOP restaurant, we appreciate your patronage and look forward to serving you again in the future.

Sincerely,

Don Miller
Guest Services Representative
IHOP Restaurant Support Center

 

[dave_in_delaware]

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That's pretty much the same"form letter" I received from my comments after our first meeting.

Hey, wait a minute.... I just got the SAME email from theSAME guy!!!

Hmmmm.... form letter heaven at IHOP Corporate!

 

[sprat]

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Found this today over at handgun law ( this a site created by a couple of guy's from the old packing dot org site, of which I was a member and contributor for many years) it is in regards to IHOP Firearms Policy. Enjoy!

[align=left]On June 16th, 2007, I emailed the following to IHOP restaurants Corporate[/align]
[align=left]Headquarters, through the form on their website at http://www.ihop.com .[/align]
[align=left]"I have been using this location since it opened. I am a firearms instructor. I am always[/align]
[align=left]armed. Today, I visited this location [armed] with a NM DPS Officer. I was asked to[/align]
[align=left]either disarm or leave because it was IHOP policy that no customer would be armed. [/align]
[align=left]My friend identified himself and asked if he came in armed would he be asked to [/align]
[align=left]leave. The answer was yes.[/align]
[align=left]The lady that asked me to leave said that she had the same problem in TN. "I don't [/align]
[align=left]want firearms inhere because it bothers some customers". That is an exact quote. [/align]
[align=left]That sounds like a manager with an agenda, not a company policy.[/align]
[align=left]NM is an open carry state. It is perfectly legal for anyone that can legally purchase a[/align]
[align=left]firearm, to carry that firearm openly, and if licensed to do so, concealed.[/align]
[align=left]We can not enter any legally posted establishment, nor can we legally stay armed [/align]
[align=left]where we are asked not to be. This location nor any location I have ever been to has[/align]
[align=left]ever been posted denying entrance to legally protected citizens, and as a former [/align]
[align=left]Police Officer, never in my life have I heard of a business denying entrance to a Police [/align]
[align=left]Officer. Since I was asked to either disarm or leave, I chose to leave.[/align]
[align=left]I have never had a problem in any IHOP. If this is IHOP policy, I'd like to know that. If [/align]
[align=left]it is, I will insure every person I can so advise is notified. If it's not, I'd like to know [/align]
[align=left]what you intend to do about this manager.[/align]
[align=left]I am the founder of www.handgunlaw.us . I will make certain your company policy is[/align]
[align=left]widely publicized, regardless of the reply. I will make it known on Tuesday June 19th,[/align]
[align=left]that your policy prohibits legally armed citizens in your locations if I haven't heard [/align]
[align=left]from you by then."[/align]
[align=left]On June 19th at 4pm, I received a call from Mr. Michael Auerswald. He is the district[/align]
[align=left]manager for this area.[/align]
[align=left]"That manager overstepped her authority. IHOP policy follows State law. It is [/align]
[align=left]absolutely not IHOP policy to prohibit our customers from carrying firearms. I am [/align]
[align=left]shocked that I have to deal with something like this. I am personally traveling to [/align]
[align=left]Clovis, NM to handle this situation and will be there on Thursday. That manager will [/align]
[align=left]either follow IHOP policy or find another job. We [I take that to mean IHOP] took that [/align]
[align=left]location over in November to fix some problems. This most certainly was not one of [/align]
[align=left]those problems."[/align]
[align=left]He was most upset over this issue and asked me to join him for coffee when he gets [/align]
[align=left]here Thursday. I told him it would be my pleasure and gave him my cell number.[/align]
[align=left]On June 21st at 4:30, we met at the IHOP. We had a great meeting. He has sent a[/align]
[align=left]message to all IHOP managers regarding this incident and[/align]
[align=left]he's treating it like an incident along with the email message at the beginning of this [/align]
[align=left]page.[/align]
[align=left]Bottom line is simple he[/align]
[align=left]says if anyone ever asks a customer to leave simply because they are carrying a [/align]
[align=left]firearm, they will be looking for work shortly after he hears about it. He was most [/align]
[align=left]apologetic.[/align]
[align=left]His other District Manager is married to a Lubbock Police Officer. When they spoke[/align]
[align=left]about this he and she both went ballistic [his words] then had to laugh at her asking [/align]
[align=left]a DPS Officer to l eave, trying to figure out what planet she was from.[/align]
[align=left]Very good outcome. The IHOP problem in New Mexico is solved. I'm pleased with the[/align]
[align=left]way it worked out.[/align]
[align=left]I offered to host him as a student in my next class for free, along with the lady that [/align]
[align=left]asked me to l eave. He said he isn't a firearms guy but learning about them, and the [/align]
[align=left]law would be a good thing for him and he's going to try to make it at the end of this [/align]
[align=left]month.[/align]
[align=left]Steve Aikens, Clovis,[/align]
[align=left]New Mexico.[/align]
[align=left]Added July 5 th , 2007.[/align]
[align=left]”That manager will either follow IHOP policy or find another job.”[/align]
[align=left]That manager is now looking for another job.[/align]
SA.



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[dave_in_delaware]

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Great find, Sir! Thanks for sharing! It is a shame when employees thrust their own agendas and feelings into the mix, and create their own version of store policy.

It's good to know that IHOP Corporate follows State laws. Which means our local IHOP pretty much has to be at least "tolerant" that we OC there. Although from the email comments we've gotten from IHOP, and the attitude of the IHOP employees, I'd say they're pretty cool about it all.

 

[Wynder]

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I've seen this and a couple of other stories... one of the reasons why I voted for IHOP for our food location.