NC OC experience reports

[Jamesm760]

Just moved to the Kernersville area this week....

Welcome to NC and OCDO! Big difference between NC and CA... I'm originally from San Diego. We have meets in Kernersville every first Friday of the month, hope to see you at one of them.

 

[solus]

welcome and enjoy yourself in beautiful NC...lovely place for raising youn's...

ipse

 

[Candrews]

Welcome to NC and OCDO! Big difference between NC and CA... I'm originally from San Diego. We have meets in Kernersville every first Friday of the month, hope to see you at one of them.

What part of SD? that's where we came from as well.

 

[bc.cruiser]

I open carry every day. Never leave home without it.

Couple of past encounters.

Was traveling to a junkyard in Wilmington from Fayetteville.
Running extremely low on fuel and stopped along 87 at an Exxon.
I can't remember the exact town, just before you get to Hwy 17 though.
Went in to pay for gas and spring a leak. Looked for the sign, nothing. Walked in and was extremely rudely greeted by 3 middle aged black women. One asked me for a permit and the other obnoxiously looked for a no gun sign. ,
Being that it obviously was a problem, I just walked out. Had I below E, I wouldn't have paid for gas at the pump either.

Had a Waffle House encounter just outside of Warsaw in a town called Turkey.

Looked for the sign upon entering and nothing. It was approximately 2am with a sheriffs car in the parking lot. Walked in like normal. Instantly noticed a young teenage kid freak out. I go to the corner and sit next to the officer.
Lady rudely and loudly comes up to me and asks if I have a gun. I said yes and that I didn't see a sign restricting it. Meanwhile, the sheriff, my friend, and I all look for a sign. Nothing. I just invite myself to leave as obviously it has cause a stir with the staff. Sheriff apologizes. We leave as the staff waives us in... No thanks.
Lastly, the store next to the waffle house. Walk in with my friend to get a snack as we just left the WH. Wall in and there is 2 cops. Immediately they notice I am OCing. All of a sudden they both lock onto me. Doesn't phase me as I did nothing wrong. I am dressed as a normal citizen, 27yrs old with a beard.
I noticed as I left they followed me to the door. Never a word was spoken, but I obviously rustled some Jimmies.

I do wish you did not appear to be so meek. If a business is not posted, make it be the person in charge that gives you the boot. If they are just being obnoxious, ask for the manager or owner, and make a complaint about customer service. Specifically, in the case of Waffle House, you did not say if the "lady" was a customer, wait staff, or manager. If a manager, make her show you the sign (usually a 10" x 15" black letter on yellow background near a corner at the dumpster end of the building and at least 8' above ground---not even close to being a conspicuous posting). Then, you may consider yourself on notice to leave.

I do understand that I have 40 years of attitude head start on you.

 

[carolina guy]

I do wish you did not appear to be so meek. If a business is not posted, make it be the person in charge that gives you the boot. If they are just being obnoxious, ask for the manager or owner, and make a complaint about customer service. Specifically, in the case of Waffle House, you did not say if the "lady" was a customer, wait staff, or manager. If a manager, make her show you the sign (usually a 10" x 15" black letter on yellow background near a corner at the dumpster end of the building and at least 8' above ground---not even close to being a conspicuous posting). Then, you may consider yourself on notice to leave.

I do understand that I have 40 years of attitude head start on you.

Only thing to keep in mind about the "conspicuous posting" requirement is that it only applies to CC...

 

[bc.cruiser]

Only thing to keep in mind about the "conspicuous posting" requirement is that it only applies to CC...

+1

Sorry, I should have included this:

§ 14-159.13. Second degree trespass.

(a) Offense. - A person commits the offense of second degree trespass if, without authorization, he enters or remains on premises of another:
(1) After he has been notified not to enter or remain there by the owner, by a person in charge of the premises, by a lawful occupant, or by another authorized person; or
(2) That are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, with notice not to enter the premises.

(b) Classification. - Second degree trespass is a Class 3 misdemeanor. (1987, c. 700, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 102; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)

 

[94 at Large]

I open carry every day. Never leave home without it.

...I am dressed as a normal citizen, 27yrs old with a beard.

And all this time you thought it was because you were armed. Beards always put people on edge. :lol:

 

[94EGCoupe]

I do wish you did not appear to be so meek. If a business is not posted, make it be the person in charge that gives you the boot. If they are just being obnoxious, ask for the manager or owner, and make a complaint about customer service. Specifically, in the case of Waffle House, you did not say if the "lady" was a customer, wait staff, or manager. If a manager, make her show you the sign (usually a 10" x 15" black letter on yellow background near a corner at the dumpster end of the building and at least 8' above ground---not even close to being a conspicuous posting). Then, you may consider yourself on notice to leave.

I do understand that I have 40 years of attitude head start on you.

While I do agree with you on this and usually do uphold my rights as a citizen, that particular night I didnt feel like ruffling feathers. The lady that was rude/abrupt, was just a normal waitress.

As mentioned, we did look for the sign. Being that I was out of town, 2am, and, in a small town off I-40, I decided to let be and head out.



As for the beard comment, you should see some of the clowns carrying guns in this town. I have seen so many dudes with their guns just flopping around barely hung on their sagged pants. I wont even go into other scenarios I have seen..... oO

 

[solus]

OP youi were there, you dealt with the situation as you saw fit, therefore you do not have to endure nor respond to those Monday quarterbacks who second guess your actions...

thanks for posting and glad it worked out in your best interest(s)

Shakespeare's Falstaff said it elegantly enough so i do not have to repeat it...

ipse

 

[Rusty Young Man]

OP youi were there, you dealt with the situation as you saw fit, therefore you do not have to endure nor respond to those Monday quarterbacks who second guess your actions...

thanks for posting and glad it worked out in your best interest(s)

True enough, "what's past is prologue" when we decide to pick apart the events of the day, but sound advice can come in the form of constructive criticism from even the least expected of places.

That said, I believe the OP did well in not giving the antis any ammunition to use against him, and that in itself is already a win of sorts.

Shakespeare's Falstaff said it elegantly enough so i do not have to repeat it...

ipse

I imagine you meant the words "The better part of valor is discretion, in the which better part I have sav'd my life." William Shakespeare, (Henry the Fourth)

 

[dmatting]

Positive Police Encounter

I would have to chalk this up as a positive police encounter...

Location: Grocery store within the Durham city limits

My wife and I went grocery shopping over the weekend. I was OCing, as usual, and had absolutely no problems in the store. We spoke with the manager in the produce section about the origin of some vegetables and he even assisted with the bagging of our groceries at the checkout. So, the store certainly has no issue with OC (and never has - we go there quite a bit).

When we were done, we had two shopping carts full of bagged groceries. I was in the lead and walked through the exit and saw a Durham police car sitting at the curb facing the doors. I walked past the front of the car, strong side showing, and into the parking lot toward our truck. A few moments later, the officer had pulled up alongside me and said that he was glad to see someone carrying and exercising their 2A rights. He then stated that he wasn't there because of me (no MWAG call, that is). He didn't ask any questions of me and never got out of his car - we just had a conversation about carrying. He actually did most of the talking and mentioned Durham's ordinance against open carry and how he and a lot of his fellow officers were/are upset about it - both the ordinance and how it was passed (in the middle of the night). He was cautionary about it - stating that while he and other officers would not bust someone for it, there are some in the force that would. He also talked about how he, his wife, and his daughter carry and some particulars regarding that. I also learned a bit about how the 'thugz' are carrying these days and how they can sometimes get through a pat-down without having their gun detected.

I should say that if this officer did, indeed, get an MWAG call, then he handled it pretty good - although the best way would be to have zero interaction at all, IMO. My take on it, after talking with him, though, is that he was NOT there for any MWAG call and just wanted to chat it up after seeing my sidearm, which was perfectly fine by me - I don't mind talking about carry while I'm out and about.

 

[carolina guy]

I would have to chalk this up as a positive police encounter...

Location: Grocery store within the Durham city limits

My wife and I went grocery shopping over the weekend. I was OCing, as usual, and had absolutely no problems in the store. We spoke with the manager in the produce section about the origin of some vegetables and he even assisted with the bagging of our groceries at the checkout. So, the store certainly has no issue with OC (and never has - we go there quite a bit).

When we were done, we had two shopping carts full of bagged groceries. I was in the lead and walked through the exit and saw a Durham police car sitting at the curb facing the doors. I walked past the front of the car, strong side showing, and into the parking lot toward our truck. A few moments later, the officer had pulled up alongside me and said that he was glad to see someone carrying and exercising their 2A rights. He then stated that he wasn't there because of me (no MWAG call, that is). He didn't ask any questions of me and never got out of his car - we just had a conversation about carrying. He actually did most of the talking and mentioned Durham's ordinance against open carry and how he and a lot of his fellow officers were/are upset about it - both the ordinance and how it was passed (in the middle of the night). He was cautionary about it - stating that while he and other officers would not bust someone for it, there are some in the force that would. He also talked about how he, his wife, and his daughter carry and some particulars regarding that. I also learned a bit about how the 'thugz' are carrying these days and how they can sometimes get through a pat-down without having their gun detected.

I should say that if this officer did, indeed, get an MWAG call, then he handled it pretty good - although the best way would be to have zero interaction at all, IMO. My take on it, after talking with him, though, is that he was NOT there for any MWAG call and just wanted to chat it up after seeing my sidearm, which was perfectly fine by me - I don't mind talking about carry while I'm out and about.

Does the NC preemption even allow for this ordinance?

 

[solus]

d...

sounds like a good encounter all the way around, and eh, so what if he was there from dispatch...as you indicated he apparently was professional enough to handle it quite well.

my curiosity centers on what perception did the on-lookers get from seeing you OC'g in the store, then the officer standing outside 'possibly' waiting for you to emerge, then going over to your vehicle to converse w/you. yes i know they were not prive to your chit chat but, in the event the officer was responding from dispatch, the call originating individual watching the exchange between you two go down now believes their call was in fact necessary as the 'nice officer chatted with the guy with a gun' to make sure your intentions were no violent against other citizens.

i believe i will put in my 'what to say if and when i am personally faced with a similar event' i would looked at the officer and play on their 'you know i'm not here for you' by saying...'glad to hear that because i would then expected you to discuss with caller about the legality of OC."

thanks for sharing...

ipse

 

[dmatting]

Does the NC preemption even allow for this ordinance?

I think it does. I'll have to look it up, but the preemption on firearms laws allows municipalities to pass ordinances against display of firearms on municipality owned property.

 

[dmatting]

I think it does. I'll have to look it up, but the preemption on firearms laws allows municipalities to pass ordinances against display of firearms on municipality owned property.

yeah, here are the statutes for counties and cities (emphasis mine):

G.S. 153A-129:

A county may by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place except when used to take birds or animals pursuant to Chapter 113, Subchapter IV, when used in defense of person or property, or when used pursuant to lawful directions of law-enforcement officers. A county may also regulate the display of firearms on the public roads, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property. This section does not limit a county's authority to take action under Article 1A of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes. (1973, c. 822, s. 1; 2006-264, s. 16; 2012-12, s. 2(yy).)

G.S. 160A-189

A city may by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place within the city except when used in defense of person or property or pursuant to lawful directions of law-enforcement officers, and may regulate the display of firearms on the streets, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property. Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit a city's authority to take action under Article 1A of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes. (1971, c. 698, s. 1; 2012-12, s. 2(zz).)

 

[dad2ze]

OC in ROSS

I walked in ROSS the other to browse the cheap selections. As I walked in, the security guy was standing right by the front door. He said hello and noticed my XD before I could get inside good. He went into FREAK MODE!!!!! He started looking back and forth like he wanted to call someone or do something but was unsure of what to do. I continued past and started to look for a metal bowl for my dog to eat out of. I got to the back of the store and was greeted no more than 3-4 times by a different associate asking if I needed help. The security guy even asked if I needed something. They never asked me to leave but you could tell they didn't know what to do. I have been back since and things were more chill. You could tell they had never had a man enter with a gun before.

 

[Grapeshot]

I walked in ROSS the other to browse the cheap selections. As I walked in, the security guy was standing right by the front door. He said hello and noticed my XD before I could get inside good. He went into FREAK MODE!!!!! He started looking back and forth like he wanted to call someone or do something but was unsure of what to do. I continued past and started to look for a metal bowl for my dog to eat out of. I got to the back of the store and was greeted no more than 3-4 times by a different associate asking if I needed help. The security guy even asked if I needed something. They never asked me to leave but you could tell they didn't know what to do. I have been back since and things were more chill. You could tell they had never had a man enter with a gun before.

I trust it won't be the last time.

Normalizing the unusual by making it commonplace

 

[dad2ze]

I trust it won't be the last time.

Normalizing the unusual by making it commonplace

You TRUST correctly!!!! :lol:

 

[dmatting]

I walked in ROSS the other to browse the cheap selections. As I walked in, the security guy was standing right by the front door. He said hello and noticed my XD before I could get inside good. He went into FREAK MODE!!!!! He started looking back and forth like he wanted to call someone or do something but was unsure of what to do. I continued past and started to look for a metal bowl for my dog to eat out of. I got to the back of the store and was greeted no more than 3-4 times by a different associate asking if I needed help. The security guy even asked if I needed something. They never asked me to leave but you could tell they didn't know what to do. I have been back since and things were more chill. You could tell they had never had a man enter with a gun before.

Which Ross? I've been to a number of them without any problems whatsoever. I've been to the Ross in Brier Creek quite a number of times. Spoke with one of their 'Loss Prevention' associates once only because he was interested in what kind of pistol I was carrying. I have also spoken with some of the associates there regarding their - up to then - unknown right to carry. I would suggest that it was likely a problem of an inexperienced and/or ignorant security associate.

 

[NC-Heel]

As far as the Waffle House thing, I have never been in one that did not have this sign stuck on the wall inside.