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Nat'nl Mot'rst Assoc. alert re asserting right to protect your rights in police stops

1245A Defender

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Wowwie!!

B I N G O !

And tape recorders - some of which are quite small and record for a very long time - are so inexpensive these days, so why not have one on you at all times?

tyc
WHO EVEN HAS TAPE ENYMORE????
Digital audie/video recorders can be bought now, that are the size of a pack of GUM!
Cost 15 bucks...
James Bond,,, had small tape recorders,,, supplied by the Q!
That really is old tech...
 

don mckenzie355

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question to those in police confortations

Has any one ever asked the officer about the emotional stress due to fact that they have bullets and you don't?
and how they would feel on the other side ?
why do they get to carry in gun restricted area's and why people don't feel threatened by that ?
 

Tackleberry1

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Sorry for reviving such an old thread but HOLLY COW... how do so many people have such bad encounters?

I'll admit I'm a 40 year old white guy living in a rural area and leading a pretty tame life... but I've never had a Cop push a traffic stop beyond the traffic issue?

So... What is drawing the added scrutiny? Or is just "dick" Cops is other areas?

Just trying to figure out if I'm doing something "right" or just lucky to be a white man living where I do?

Tack
 

protias

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Sorry for reviving such an old thread but HOLLY COW... how do so many people have such bad encounters?

I'll admit I'm a 40 year old white guy living in a rural area and leading a pretty tame life... but I've never had a Cop push a traffic stop beyond the traffic issue?

So... What is drawing the added scrutiny? Or is just "dick" Cops is other areas?

Just trying to figure out if I'm doing something "right" or just lucky to be a white man living where I do?

Tack
It is cops overstepping their authority...Doesn't matter if you live in a big city or small town, they exist everywhere (not saying every cop is like this, but that they can be in any town).
 

johnfenter

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Okay... what about AFTER the arrest? Now you're at the jail....

This has been percolating in my mind for a little while, probably after viewing some episodes of "Jail" on television. Let's say that, for some reason, the police have decided to give you the "ride" because they are punishing you for "contempt of cop". You have, up to this point, been exercising your rights; maybe you weren't even carrying ID, you shut up until your attorney can arrive, etc. Now, you have been divested of your gun, ammo, etc. and your pockets are empty. Your recorder has been seized. You arrive at the jail in cuffs in the back seat. From what I have seen, there are a BUNCH of rules at a jail that you can be punished for breaking, like refusing to walk from the car to the door, not answering questions at jail check-in, not answering medical/psych questions from the nurse, etc. So here's the question - once arrested, how does one practice rights at the jail? If you answer their questions, they will turn around and give those answers to the arresting officers for their reports. WHAT am I required to provide as a jail inmate? If I refuse to answer questions, will I get my phone call? Attorneys, feel free to opine...
 

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Take a look at my website, and scroll down to where it says, "other useful stuff" - there's a PDF file there you can download and copy called "letter to law enforcement". Use the letter and there's no need to talk at all - not only that, but the letter's well-documented, so if you produce a copy in court with testimony that you gave it to the cop and the cop ignored it, well, too bad for the cop.

On the other hand, I was asked today to review some video data produced by a local sheriff's office about what to do in a traffic stop. For security reasons, I don't allow the software required to look at it on my computer. I strongly suspect that law enforcement agencies have their own version of semi-benign "virus" software that takes advantage of the security holes created by that software. I have actual knowledge from prior court cases that they do that in many circumstances, especially where child pornography is involved. Since this is a law office, I can't take chances with my computers, so I never saw what they produced.

Also, I have a history of doing personal defense law seminars and teaching the part-three legal lecture in the NRA personal protection classes, and I don't think I'm going to do that any more. Here's why, summarizing what I told the guy who asked me to review the video: "The current trend in such public announcements is, 'you can forget about cops being subject to the law, they don't know and they don't care - watch out and be really careful because if they shoot you, it's your fault.' And there's a good reason why they're like that, it's because many prosecutors and judges are like that. It is an increasingly corrupt age. My opinions are all about what the law says, but that's all out the window, so I don't know what to tell people anymore. You can't rely on the law working, because the people who manage The System aren't intellectually honest or reliable."
 

davidmcbeth

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Take a look at my website, and scroll down to where it says, "other useful stuff" - there's a PDF file there you can download and copy called "letter to law enforcement". <snip>"
Actually in "Useful information" section and the PDF has you identifying yourself .. wherein IDing is not required w/o RAS.

A better letter is one ??? that just says :

"I do not consent to any encounter with you so, GO AWAY NOW!"

Hand a cop anything more verbose and you'll lose his attention to it in 1 second.
 
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