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Naked in Texas

rpyne

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Visiting in Houston and feeling naked. It really is a shame that a state that so fiercely claims independence has such draconian gun laws to keep the people in bondage.
 

Operator_223

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It's the gun grabbers in the state capitol......

Visiting in Houston and feeling naked. It really is a shame that a state that so fiercely claims independence has such draconian gun laws to keep the people in bondage.


This is the result of gun grabbers feely goody politicians and lobbyists taking control of the state capitol, Austin TX. Austin is one little place within the state, and oftentimes what goes on in a state's capitol has little to do with the traditions and desires of the constituency, but rather follows the greased palms in the hallways and parking lots surrounding the legislature.

Oregon, Colorado, Washington State, and dozens more have flakey state capitols loaded with (s)elected officials that really do not represent their people, but follows the wheelbarrows of lobbyist's cash.
 

cloudcroft

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"Visiting in Houston and feeling naked." -- rpyne

You should feel that way -- helps up your level of situational awareness -- but DO carry something anyway, even if we have to do it concealed here in the "great" state of Texas (one reason I enjoy visiting NM: More gun freedom out there, as in NM's neighbor AZ, too).

There's lots of 2-legged trash in the Greater Houston Metroplex, so be careful when you're out here.


P.S. The people of early Texas were made of sterner stuff...kind of explains the sheeple "Texans" of today and acceptance of OC-banning for the last 140 years or so.
 
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KBCraig

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This is the result of gun grabbers feely goody politicians and lobbyists taking control of the state capitol, Austin TX.
What's even worse is that some of them purportedly represent us in the pro-gun community, but are terrified of losing their exclusive insider status and the power that comes with it. Some will happily toss off the train any gun legislation that they didn't write and introduce.
 

rpyne

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What's even worse is that some of them purportedly represent us in the pro-gun community, but are terrified of losing their exclusive insider status and the power that comes with it. Some will happily toss off the train any gun legislation that they didn't write and introduce.

We cured that problem in Utah about 20 years ago. It took six years (three elections) to get the message through, but we did it and they still remember it.

We got organized and targeted specific districts and concentrated all of our efforts on one or two districts where we could a) get a good candidate to support and b) knock on every door in the district at least twice during the campaign and talk to people one-on-one about the candidates stand on freedom and the incumbent's record against freedom. Make the argument about freedom, not just guns. When our candidate won an election we held a press conference to make sure that the rest knew exactly why. It only took unseating about six incumbents for them to get the message that if they wanted to stay they better start voting for freedom.

The first ones to target are those who claim to represent gun owners but vote otherwise. Then go after the most rabid anti-gunners next.
 

jsimmons

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We cured that problem in Utah about 20 years ago. It took six years (three elections) to get the message through, but we did it and they still remember it.

We got organized and targeted specific districts and concentrated all of our efforts on one or two districts where we could a) get a good candidate to support and b) knock on every door in the district at least twice during the campaign and talk to people one-on-one about the candidates stand on freedom and the incumbent's record against freedom. Make the argument about freedom, not just guns. When our candidate won an election we held a press conference to make sure that the rest knew exactly why. It only took unseating about six incumbents for them to get the message that if they wanted to stay they better start voting for freedom.

The first ones to target are those who claim to represent gun owners but vote otherwise. Then go after the most rabid anti-gunners next.

Our main problem is that the TSRA nor the NRA will back anyone with an agenda other than their own. Everyone involved in those two organizations is only interested in making legislative "baby steps", and they casting their heads down in shame for daring to advocate for the restoration of our 2nd Amendment rights, and they're proud that they MIGHT get things resolved by 2021. They're worried about signage and the possibility the businesses will put up even more gun-free-zone signs as a result of us getting open-carry. My view is that if the company doesn't want to honor and support MY constitutional rights, they should get the hell out of the state of Texas.
 

MatieA

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Visiting in Houston and feeling naked. It really is a shame that a state that so fiercely claims independence has such draconian gun laws to keep the people in bondage.

I also am visiting Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth area), but am wearing my duster so that I am not "Naked". Pain in the behind having to conceal and it makes me feel like a coward. :(
 

rodbender

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Visiting in Houston and feeling naked. It really is a shame that a state that so fiercely claims independence has such draconian gun laws to keep the people in bondage.

The idiocy also has a blinding effect. I can not see how they can say it is OK to carry a pistol in your vehicle, but you can't carry a switchblade, a knife that is too long, club, or brass knuckles.
 

cloudcroft

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"Pain in the behind having to conceal and it makes me feel like a coward." -- MatieA

You shouldn't feel that way because it's not like you COULD OC but don't. Just look at it as "discretion being the better part of valor" if you will, since in the case of Texas OC isn't legal and it'd only result in trouble for you big-time if you tried...unless you wanted to be a federal test case, that is. So far, however, we've had no volunteers.

I support OC and CC pretty much equally, in that each form of carry has its place.

At least you're carrying...in all states that allow some form of legal carry, only 2-3% of those eligible for CC permits DO carry, even if it's concealed and so they are carrying "secretely." I think most people prefer CC partly because they aren't publically identified as a carrier as they would be were they OCing. In states that allow both CC and OC, even fewer people carry OC, since they don't want to deal with disapproving looks/words from "outraged" liberals, or others (unhappy cops or DAs). As I've said, it takes a bit more "grit" to carry OC, and most people don't have it I guess. Whatever, everyone else in the state is an unarmed victim waiting to happen. Good luck to them all as that's all they've got (even though it ain't much).

At some point, however, I think OC will come to Texas, but I agree it sure is an embarrassment to the state that it hasn't had OC since the early 1870s.

Damn those Union troops, Carpetbaggers and Scalawags...
 
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hermannr

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This is the result of gun grabbers feely goody politicians and lobbyists taking control of the state capitol, Austin TX. Austin is one little place within the state, and oftentimes what goes on in a state's capitol has little to do with the traditions and desires of the constituency, but rather follows the greased palms in the hallways and parking lots surrounding the legislature.

Oregon, Colorado, Washington State, and dozens more have flakey state capitols loaded with (s)elected officials that really do not represent their people, but follows the wheelbarrows of lobbyist's cash.

Now wait a second: WA may have some horrible legislators, and a stink hole for a gov, but we do have free unlicensed OC. and shall issue CC, no training required, very few prohibited places (not even the Senate chambers) for OC or CC. Not perfect, but way better than TX for carry, and it has been this way for a very long time. Present CC laws since 1961, OC via constitution since statehood.
 

Wolfgang1952

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Even hear in Louisiana we have Article 1, Section 11, of the State Constitution. The only thing the state regulates is CC. And we have been doing that since 1875 or so. I even gotten so used to putting on my gun belt when I get dressed in the morning. It’s gotten to be second hand.
 

rpyne

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Our main problem is that the TSRA nor the NRA will back anyone with an agenda other than their own. Everyone involved in those two organizations is only interested in making legislative "baby steps", and they casting their heads down in shame for daring to advocate for the restoration of our 2nd Amendment rights, and they're proud that they MIGHT get things resolved by 2021. They're worried about signage and the possibility the businesses will put up even more gun-free-zone signs as a result of us getting open-carry. My view is that if the company doesn't want to honor and support MY constitutional rights, they should get the hell out of the state of Texas.

We had the same problem in Utah, that is why we formed Gun Owners of Utah. We effectively told NRA and USSC to either get on the band wagon or get out of the way. We made it very clear that the NRA did NOT represent Utah gun owners. Since our successes, USSC has picked up the baton and now leads the fight. The NRA has even straightened up a little after seeing a massive drop in Utah membership.

Remind TSRA and NRA that they need you, not the other way around. Just like government, it is the people who are the masters. Without the support of the people they lose their effectiveness and power.
 

thane99

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You said naked...but on a serious note how would you feel safer in a place that has banned firearms...my logic would suggest that if a criminal wanted to cause trouble ...a firearm free place would be the best place to start...I mean we've all heard the story of a moron that tried to hold up a gun store with a pistol while it was full of patrons...most of which at the time were cops...now just because you can carry dont mean you need to flash it around..that behavior is just silly...on another note how many of you have seen cops show up with their weapons on their hip even the detectives that don't normally wear uniforms carry...besides the badge they look like everybody else...and if you think that badge makes them GOD ..your sadly mistaken
 
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