Missouri's nullification bill a sham!

[WalkingWolf]

If you can't read my small wall of text, then I'm sure you didn't bother to read all of HB1439. As a result have no idea what you are talking about. Is that short enough?

If you can't state your case with a reasonable amount of words you are blowing smoke. Try reading the BOR and see how simply and quickly the writers stated their case very clearly. Throwing a bunch of words up whether a thousand or ten thousand does not change that your argument is bovine excrement, and not worth wasting time on.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The above is my position on any infringement of making rights privileges. Short, to the point, and clear!

 

[LMTD]

If you can't state your case with a reasonable amount of words you are blowing smoke. Try reading the BOR and see how simply and quickly the writers stated their case very clearly. Throwing a bunch of words up whether a thousand or ten thousand does not change that your argument is bovine excrement, and not worth wasting time on.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The above is my position on any infringement of making rights privileges. Short, to the point, and clear!

When criticism comes from a state where a permit or a ccw license is required to even purchase a hand gun it is weighed, measured and found to be wanting at best.

When you really dig into it a little and discover that there are not set criteria for those permits which are indeed kept by the sheriff though claiming not to be registration, you learn that not only is it permission, but one must be in good favor with the sheriff or they can put a great many additional burdens on one making the request such as refrences etc.

Seems to me a lot less time being critical of others, you might want to clean up your own back yard, we were able to get rid of such stupidity almost a decade ago. We may not yet have a crew in office with the courage to fix what was broken long before most of us were ever involved, but without a doubt we are making it very clear for the last 15 years that they need to be stepping up or stepping out.

I am not a great fan of the OC portion of the bill, but when faced with the reality of involving politicians you get what you got and I am sure considering the silly stuff you are dealing with in NC you are all too familiar.

 

[WalkingWolf]

MORE BS, pointing to infringement in other states does not excuse being subject and SUPPORTING infringements in one's own state.

And I am not trying to clean up anybodies back yard, you only have yourself to blame for your lack of courage to stand up for what is right. While others in your state do not deserve the oppresion you clearly do.

Living in one state or another is NOT a requirement to post in ANY subforum, get over it.

 

[LMTD]

MORE BS, pointing to infringement in other states does not excuse being subject and SUPPORTING infringements in one's own state.

And I am not trying to clean up anybodies back yard, you only have yourself to blame for your lack of courage to stand up for what is right. While others in your state do not deserve the oppresion you clearly do.

Living in one state or another is NOT a requirement to post in ANY subforum, get over it.

You know little to nothing about me or what I stand for, you are completely clueless when it comes to the word "courage" as are pretty much all forum trolls.

The simple point you make about some "deserving" oppression pretty much sums up your abilities to understand freedom as well.

No one said a word about "requirement" or anything of that nature, since that was unclear to you, allow me to help you out. Instead of trolling the MO forum and wasting time and energies telling folks here how they are doing it all wrong, why don't you get to work on NC laws and show us how it is done, after all, we are the show me state and the only thing you have managed to demonstrate so far for us to emulate is how to flap your gums.

Again, grow a set instead of hiding behind a computer go and get your yard cleaned up, us Missouri hicks need the demonstration not the blathering of trolls.

 

[WalkingWolf]

You know little to nothing about me or what I stand for, you are completely clueless when it comes to the word "courage" as are pretty much all forum trolls.

The simple point you make about some "deserving" oppression pretty much sums up your abilities to understand freedom as well.

No one said a word about "requirement" or anything of that nature, since that was unclear to you, allow me to help you out. Instead of trolling the MO forum and wasting time and energies telling folks here how they are doing it all wrong, why don't you get to work on NC laws and show us how it is done, after all, we are the show me state and the only thing you have managed to demonstrate so far for us to emulate is how to flap your gums.

Again, grow a set instead of hiding behind a computer go and get your yard cleaned up, us Missouri hicks need the demonstration not the blathering of trolls.

I don't care to know anything about YOU other than what you post. You seem to be childlike with your attempts at insults on the internet. Seems I am not the one who needs to grow a "set". People who attempt what you have are usually cowards.

 

[LMTD]

I don't care to know anything about YOU other than what you post. You seem to be childlike with your attempts at insults on the internet. Seems I am not the one who needs to grow a "set". People who attempt what you have are usually cowards.

I am pretty sure you haven't read many of my post because you do seem quite clueless. I made no attempt at insulting you, simply pointed out that you don't fix the laws in your own state and troll other state forums telling them they are doing it wrong showing no signs of courage what so ever aka a lack of a set.

It is not an attempt at anything when one is pointing out the simple hypocritical basis of your comments and pointing out the simple fact that you are a troll, an unimpressive one at that.

UTB all the way baby!!!! sniff

 

[WalkingWolf]

I am pretty sure you haven't read many of my post because you do seem quite clueless. I made no attempt at insulting you, simply pointed out that you don't fix the laws in your own state and troll other state forums telling them they are doing it wrong showing no signs of courage what so ever aka a lack of a set.

It is not an attempt at anything when one is pointing out the simple hypocritical basis of your comments and pointing out the simple fact that you are a troll, an unimpressive one at that.

UTB all the way baby!!!! sniff

I only need to read your tantrums in this thread to come to a conclusion.

 

[LMTD]

I only need to read your tantrums in this thread to come to a conclusion.

Operative word "conclusion" so now you can buzz along and go fix NC laws instead of trolling the MO forum eh?

 

[WalkingWolf]

Operative word "conclusion" so now you can buzz along and go fix NC laws instead of trolling the MO forum eh?

Maybe you can pound sand, and continue with your impotent rant...

WE are working to make NC laws better, we are also working to eliminate laws. But then I am not a statist who pushes laws and control on others. ehhhh! I believe in the second amendment as it was written, not some statist version so permission paper holders can feel like some elitist. Because I do not believe in government controls, and infringements, plus posted the second amendment you throw a tantrum and call names.

You should grow up, read the constitution, educate yourself. Stop drinking the statist/progressive kool aid.

Also IMO maybe since you cannot control yourself the state should take away your privileges. ehhhhh?

 

[LMTD]

Also IMO maybe since you cannot control yourself the state should take away your privileges. ehhhhh?

There you go again with your true thoughts eh?

Again, you haven't a clue about me, if you did as you claim and had read this thread, you would not be blathering on about a position that I do not hold.

Just because we both share a position on what 2a means and what it should be does not alter the fact that you are an internet troll and not really a very good one either.

See if you can get your right to even buy a gun away from the state instead of trolling the ocdo forums, never know, you MIGHT just accomplish something beyond whining that everyone else is wrong.

 

[WalkingWolf]

There you go again with your true thoughts eh?

Again, you haven't a clue about me, if you did as you claim and had read this thread, you would not be blathering on about a position that I do not hold.

Just because we both share a position on what 2a means and what it should be does not alter the fact that you are an internet troll and not really a very good one either.

See if you can get your right to even buy a gun away from the state instead of trolling the ocdo forums, never know, you MIGHT just accomplish something beyond whining that everyone else is wrong.

I see from your angry posts and name calling that you are unstable, as well as being a statist. Most statists/progressives/liberals believe that those with unstable tendencies should be restricted from their second amendment rights. Posting on OCDO is not trolling, not agreeing with another's demands is not trolling. Calling names and throwing temper tantrums online is the sign of mental illness.

As a statist you should have no problem with the stripping of rights from those like yourself, I would think you would be for it. So far you have displayed you have no problem stripping others of their rights.

 

[LMTD]

As a statist you should have no problem with the stripping of rights from those like yourself, I would think you would be for it. So far you have displayed you have no problem stripping others of their rights.

Completely stable and I have never stripped anyone's rights though I have noted that several times within this thread you have suggested such things are a good idea.

Not only are you trolling the forums but you are proving out not to be very bright either.

As far as anger goes, LOL you have some serious self worth there if you think for a second you are capable of making me angry. Toying with a troll is something to do as I lazy around the house today, you are of no significance at all and to fantasize that you will at any point have an impact what so ever is your own delusion.

Now run along and play.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Still with the impotent insults instead of having the basic intelligence to make you case without them. And still trying to play internet bully, hoping it will make it grow. Try buying a sports car to make yourself feel important, you certainly are failing here. You have done nothing but prove you have nothing of substance to back your demands.

Internet bully = Coward

False bravado = small appendage

 

[LMTD]

Still with the impotent insults instead of having the basic intelligence to make you case without them. And still trying to play internet bully, hoping it will make it grow. Try buying a sports car to make yourself feel important, you certainly are failing here. You have done nothing but prove you have nothing of substance to back your demands.

Internet bully = Coward

False bravado = small appendage

Stating that you do not seem to be very bright and that your comments have no impact is presenting facts, not being a bully. As far as your unhealthy interest in the size of my appendage goes, there are forums for that fantasy as well, feel quite free to visit them.

As far as having "nothing of substance to back my demands" again you have fallen into your own delusional world whether it be sexual deviant or a misguided understanding of freedom, it remains far far from reality.

Making a case for you being a troll does not take intelligence, it is clear to see for anyone as you are not even a good troll, just an angry and delusional misguided troll who likes guns. Nothing really to be ashamed of really, but I don't think you should be proud of it either.

UTB

 

[WalkingWolf]

Stating that you do not seem to be very bright and that your comments have no impact is presenting facts, not being a bully. As far as your unhealthy interest in the size of my appendage goes, there are forums for that fantasy as well, feel quite free to visit them.

As far as having "nothing of substance to back my demands" again you have fallen into your own delusional world whether it be sexual deviant or a misguided understanding of freedom, it remains far far from reality.

Making a case for you being a troll does not take intelligence, it is clear to see for anyone as you are not even a good troll, just an angry and delusional misguided troll who likes guns. Nothing really to be ashamed of really, but I don't think you should be proud of it either.

UTB

Well that seems to all you have, so you are not very intelligent. You show classic signs of some limitations, just pointing them out. Besides I never said one word about anything sexual, seems you are the one not so bright that you illuminated your exact problems. I came to this thread to make the case for rights on a RKBA site, you are calling names on the same site in your attempts to stifle freedom. I am not the one who is a troll.

 

[LMTD]

well that seems to all you have, so you are not very intelligent. You show classic signs of some limitations, just pointing them out. Besides i never said one word about anything sexual, seems you are the one not so bright that you illuminated your exact problems. I came to this thread to make the case for rights on a rkba site, you are calling names on the same site in your attempts to stifle freedom. I am not the one who is a troll.

utb

 

[Firepit1x]

From one of OpenCarry.org founders

Question: Given that concealed carry is now an option in all 50 states, what is the rationale for open carry?

Answer: The rationale for open carry is multi-fold.

"First, open carry is the right protected by the Second Amendment and most state analogs. Concealed carry is a state-granted -- and potentially revocable -- privilege. Trading a right for a state-granted privilege is not an acceptable transaction. It is analogous to the bigoted argument that, since civil unions are available, same-sex couples should not seek the right to marriage equality."

This was from OpenCarry's Press kit. You can read more here if you are interested:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-22/open-carry-concealed-carry-and-crazy-carry

Carry on!

 

[kcgunfan]

So, are you in favor of this bill or not?

Question: Given that concealed carry is now an option in all 50 states, what is the rationale for open carry?

Answer: The rationale for open carry is multi-fold.

"First, open carry is the right protected by the Second Amendment and most state analogs. Concealed carry is a state-granted -- and potentially revocable -- privilege. Trading a right for a state-granted privilege is not an acceptable transaction. It is analogous to the bigoted argument that, since civil unions are available, same-sex couples should not seek the right to marriage equality."

This was from OpenCarry's Press kit. You can read more here if you are interested:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-22/open-carry-concealed-carry-and-crazy-carry

Carry on!

 

[WalkingWolf]

Question: Given that concealed carry is now an option in all 50 states, what is the rationale for open carry?

Answer: The rationale for open carry is multi-fold.

"First, open carry is the right protected by the Second Amendment and most state analogs. Concealed carry is a state-granted -- and potentially revocable -- privilege. Trading a right for a state-granted privilege is not an acceptable transaction. It is analogous to the bigoted argument that, since civil unions are available, same-sex couples should not seek the right to marriage equality."

This was from OpenCarry's Press kit. You can read more here if you are interested:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-22/open-carry-concealed-carry-and-crazy-carry

Carry on!

Very clear, IMO!

 

[Firepit1x]

I can't full answer if I'm in favor or not

So, are you in favor of this bill or not?

I have mixed feelings about this bill and I focused on his statement in his response to the Press Kit interview: "Trading a right for a state-granted privilege is not an acceptable transaction." In a fair land I praise this statement but we do not live in a fair land.

So I can't fully answer the question because even though I balk and complain to others about our States CCW laws/rules/fees I still have the endorsement, I still carry concealed when I feel the need and I abide by the law of the land when it comes to CCW. I ask every three years why I have to pay a fee to carry what is rightfully mine but every three years I still pay it. I want my right and it's a the only road open to legally CCW.

On the other hand Open Carry is my ultimate goal and I'm tired of beating my head against the wall trying to understand the checkerboard of where I can and can't legally OC though its supposed to be my right. Because I'm tired of the politics of it....I exhale deeply and ask for a morsel instead of a meal and I'm sorry for that. I'll take the morsel or the "right" to OC because you granted me the privilege to carry concealed. But I'll continue to argue my point of a State Wide OC without the need for a permit of any kind.

I have family and friends in Illinois who would love the rights I currently have in Missouri....they are working in the right direction but Illinois is Illinois.