McCain or Obama

[Teej]

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AWDstylez wrote:

I'll agree he's bottom of the barrel, but any mere mortal would be hard-pressed to beat out G. Dubya for destruction factor.

I'm sure I'll take some heat for this (though maybe not on this forum) but I think W comes a close...very close....perhaps even tied....second....for worst president. My nominee for that dubious honor goes to Mr. Carter.

IMHO the one thing he did right as president was signing the bill making homebrewing legal. (When prohibition ended, they made winemaking illegal but homebrewing was overlooked)

He didn't cause tension in the middle east...that's been there for thousands of years of course. But it was because of his administration's diplomacy in Iranthat we became the "greater satan" and starting us off down a long path (that others, including Bush have continued and worsened) of trouble in the region.

 

[Gunslinger]

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Teej wrote:

AWDstylez wrote:

I'll agree he's bottom of the barrel, but any mere mortal would be hard-pressed to beat out G. Dubya for destruction factor.

I'm sure I'll take some heat for this (though maybe not on this forum) but I think W comes a close...very close....perhaps even tied....second....for worst president. My nominee for that dubious honor goes to Mr. Carter.

IMHO the one thing he did right as president was signing the bill making homebrewing legal. (When prohibition ended, they made winemaking illegal but homebrewing was overlooked)

He didn't cause tension in the middle east...that's been there for thousands of years of course. But it was because of his administration's diplomacy in Iranthat we became the "greater satan" and starting us off down a long path (that others, including Bush have continued and worsened) of trouble in the region.

I take it you weren't around when LBJ was in the Whitehouse. Carter, the weakest; Johnson, the worst; Klinton, the biggest scumbag. There's your top three.

 

[like_the_roman]

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stanicus wrote:

I am well aware that guns are important to everyone here. They are important to me as well. I am just saying that we should look at all the issues and research them.

1. Not everybody has an opinion on every issue.

2. With Obama constantly changing his mind and contradicting himself on many positions, it either means he has no clue what he's doing (likely) or he is lying outright (more likely.)

Don't base our decisions on emails forwarded to us by our grandmother.

My grandmother is an Obama-loving socialist and I'm glad I don't listen to her.

A lot of people have made up their minds about who they will vote for already. I am still waiting to see who the vice president nominees will be and who is running as an independent.

The best possible scenario is for the eventual winner of the election to kick the bucket a week before inauguration so the VP can take the spot instead.

My point is that McCain's tax policy is pretty crappy.

If you happen to be a Marxist, then yes. Otherwise, no.

 

[Teej]

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Gunslinger wrote:

I take it you weren't around when LBJ was in the Whitehouse. Carter, the weakest; Johnson, the worst; Klinton, the biggest scumbag. There's your top three.

Yeah, I missed ol' LBJ by a few years. Barely remember anything about Ford except the Ford/Carter election.

 

[Prophet]

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I grew during the Reagan administration. When i was a kid I thought that Ronald Reagan was always going to be president. Talk about growing up spoiled.

 

[Panos1296]

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Obama and McCaincan hardly be considered pro-2A. Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate has a bad history on 2A and used to be a "law and order" federal prosecutor. But he has developed into quite the civil libertarian since. Still, he is no RON PAUL, but who is?

Barr himself -- when introducing the staunch pro-gunner, Ron Paul, at the Conservative Political Action Conference this past February -- told the cheering delegates that, "If there was ever, ever any doubt in my mind ... about how to vote on a particular bill, the answer was easy ... you see where RON PAULstands on an issue, and you know that's the right place to be."

 

[Panos1296]

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The way I see it, EVERYONE in here should have voted for RON PAUL in the primaries, but given his performances in them, it is obvious many of you didnt. But the way to correct your past mistakes would be to send a message to DC and vote for Bob Barr this time. I know all of your responses:

"LOL, he has no chance! Gimme a break! A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama! He cant win!"

Iask you, "Do you vote for the media darlings, or do you vote for your candidate? Do you attend the church with the most people or the one you believe in?" .....Not voting for a particular candidate because "he cant win" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now, to set the reocrd straight, I am not a huge Barr supporter, but there is no RON PAUL left in the race. And Barr is easily the least of the evils remaining.

 

[hsmith]

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Panos1296 wrote:

The way I see it, EVERYONE in here should have voted for RON PAUL in the primaries, but given his performances in them, it is obvious many of you didnt. But the way to correct your past mistakes would be to send a message to DC and vote for Bob Barr this time. I know all of your responses:

"LOL, he has no chance! Gimme a break! A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama! He cant win!"

Iask you, "Do you vote for the media darlings, or do you vote for your candidate? Do you attend the church with the most people or the one you believe in?" .....Not voting for a particular candidate because "he cant win" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now, to set the reocrd straight, I am not a huge Barr supporter, but there is no RON PAUL left in the race. And Barr is easily the least of the evils remaining.

Voted for Paul, helped the campaign, and will write him in.

I won't vote for anyone else.

 

[deepdiver]

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If Obama wasn't so very scary, and I didn't think he would cause irreparable damage to this nation if not lead to its destruction as we know it, I would not vote for McCain. At this point, even if Hillary had the nomination I might vote for Barr. But Obama is so potentially destructive to every thing that I hold dear that I am going to hold my nose, throw up in a mouth a little and vote for McCain as I think that is the best chance we have of keeping Obama out of the presidency.

 

[marshaul]

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McCain is no less scary than Obama, IMO. I don't see how you can justify voting for McCain, "just so Obama won't win."

It's going to be like this every election from now on, just like the last few. As long as we vote for candidates we don't like, out of fear, we'll never do anything but move slowly towards Obama's "change" that we're all so terrified of.

Fear is the biggest tool the government uses to control and disarm the American people. By voting out of fear, you're enabling the use of that tool. Just the same as the Dems who vote for Obama out of fear of McCain ("Bush's third term"). You know, they're not getting what they want out of the deal, either. But they don't care, so long as there isn't another term of the dreaded Bushiman. :uhoh:


I say, shame on all Americans so easily manipulated by fear! What kind of a country have we become?

 

[deepdiver]

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marshaul wrote:

McCain is no less scary than Obama, IMO. I don't see how you can justify voting for McCain, "just so Obama won't win."

It's going to be like this every election from now on, just like the last few. As long as we vote for candidates we don't like, out of fear, we'll never do anything but move slowly towards Obama's "change" that we're all so terrified of.

Fear is the biggest tool the government uses to control and disarm the American people. By voting out of fear, you're enabling the use of that tool. Just the same as the Dems who vote for Obama out of fear of McCain ("Bush's third term"). You know, they're not getting what they want out of the deal, either. But they don't care, so long as there isn't another term of the dreaded Bushiman. :uhoh:


I say, shame on all Americans so easily manipulated by fear! What kind of a country have we become?

In short I think that Obama, with a dem congress which he is sure to have, may possibly spell the end for this nation as we know it. McCain will primarily be more of the status quo, which, while there are many things I do not like, still generally allows the highest standard of living and personal freedom in the world despite the many infringements and problems. While we can talk about other options, the fact is that either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I don't like either choice by any means. However, while I don't think that McCain will make anything better, with a dem congress, I don't think he will make things much worse. On the other hand, I think that Obama will make things incredibly worse in every facet of American life. So I will vote to McCain to help keep Obama from winning.

If one man wants to come into your house, peek at your wife in the shower and steal your tv and another man wants to shoot your dog, rape your daughter, sodomize your son, steal everything you own, burn your house down and drive off with your car and you have to pick one, you pick the first SOB because while he's a POS he is less of a POS than the second guy. One of them is irritating, intrusive and pisses you off, the second fundamentally changes your entire life and destroys everything you have and may ever have and leaves scars that will never heal. I think there are that dramatic of differences between McCain and Obama.

That you would accuse me of being manipulated by fear is not only insulting, but also shows that you have developed no knowledge of me during your time on the forum. Without violating the forum rules of keeping topics related to firearms, rights and related matters I cannot explain in detail why I find Obama so potentially destructive, however, my opinion is based an a host of issues and not any one factor. I am not a knee-jerk reactor to such things and I do not make such decisions based on emotion.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you Marshaul does not mean that they are stupid, easily manipulated, ignorant, uneducated, uninformed or lacking perspective.

ETA: See apology below regarding above boxed comment.

 

[Panos1296]

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hsmith wrote:

Voted for Paul, helped the campaign, and will write him in.

I won't vote for anyone else.



I admire your postition and I cant blame you or the othersthat are writing in Dr. Paul. The country needs him badly. But, as you may not know, unless Dr. Paul has an "official" write-in campaign, the votes for him wont even be counted. So as a result, even if Ron Paul got 90% of the vote in your state, hecant win your state because the votes wont be counted. If therewere an "official" write in campaign for him, I would also vote for him.

 

[AWDstylez]

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hsmith wrote:

Panos1296 wrote:

The way I see it, EVERYONE in here should have voted for RON PAUL in the primaries, but given his performances in them, it is obvious many of you didnt. But the way to correct your past mistakes would be to send a message to DC and vote for Bob Barr this time. I know all of your responses:

"LOL, he has no chance! Gimme a break! A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama! He cant win!"

Iask you, "Do you vote for the media darlings, or do you vote for your candidate? Do you attend the church with the most people or the one you believe in?" .....Not voting for a particular candidate because "he cant win" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now, to set the reocrd straight, I am not a huge Barr supporter, but there is no RON PAUL left in the race. And Barr is easily the least of the evils remaining.

Voted for Paul, helped the campaign, and will write him in.

I won't vote for anyone else.

Good for you. Voting is purely symbolic so vote on principle and who you really believe in. I'll also be writing in Ron Paul.

 

[AWDstylez]

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deepdiver wrote:

In short I think that Obama, with a dem congress which he is sure to have, may possibly spell the end for this nation as we know it. McCain will primarily be more of the status quo, which, while there are many things I do not like, will also spell the end of the nation as we know it.

Edited for correctness.

 

[marshaul]

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deepdiver wrote:

Just because someone doesn't agree with you Marshaul does not mean that they are stupid, easily manipulated, ignorant, uneducated, uninformed or lacking perspective. 

Sounds like I hit a nerve.

 

[hsmith]

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Panos1296 wrote:

hsmith wrote:

Voted for Paul, helped the campaign, and will write him in.

I won't vote for anyone else.



I admire your postition and I cant blame you or the othersthat are writing in Dr. Paul. The country needs him badly. But, as you may not know, unless Dr. Paul has an "official" write-in campaign, the votes for him wont even be counted. So as a result, even if Ron Paul got 90% of the vote in your state, hecant win your state because the votes wont be counted. If therewere an "official" write in campaign for him, I would also vote for him.

I won't be voting for McCain or Obama, so my vote will be "wasted" anyway!

 

[deepdiver]

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marshaul wrote:

deepdiver wrote:

Just because someone doesn't agree with you Marshaul does not mean that they are stupid, easily manipulated, ignorant, uneducated, uninformed or lacking perspective.

Sounds like I hit a nerve.

No, no nerve and that wasn't typed in anger. However, it was an inappropriate response as I confused you with another member and what I was attributing as a pattern of commentary on your part was actually applicable to another member and I owe you an apology for the above comment in response to your post. I can well understand why you would have thought you 'hit a nerve" in that such a response to you and your tone of posting would indeed show someone being overly sensitive.

So Marshaul, my apologies for my confusion leading to an inappropriate response to you and for the implication inherent in the comment.

Still doesn't mean I agree with you though but friends can agree to disagree.

 

[Gentleman Ranker]

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Permit me to observe that the choice in this year's election just makes it all that more important to be active on the local and (especially) state level. POTUS is a bully pulpit, but there isn't an awful lot that he* can push through domestically without (much of) the rest of the system going along with it.

If you don't know who is running for congress and (if applicable) governor/legislature in your state, go and find out NOW. Local offices wouldn't hurt, either.

Just a thought.

regards,

GR
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[Grapeshot]

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hsmith wrote:

I am not voting for either of them.

Not voting for either of the primary candidates, is the same as giving your vote to the one you least want to win.

I know that is a bitter pill to swallow but that's the way it works.

Yata hey

 

[AWDstylez]

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Grapeshot wrote:

hsmith wrote:

I am not voting for either of them.

Not voting for either of the primary candidates, is the same as giving your vote to the one you least want to win.

I know that is a bitter pill to swallow but that's the way it works.

Yata hey

Your vote is worthless anyway. If you aren't voting for purely symbolic purposeson convictionalonethen what are you doing? You're wasting time, effort, and gas.