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Marice Clemmons, Search. 1 house and 2 apartments Destroyed, and police nevr expected to find him

sudden valley gunner

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FamilyMan wrote:
Another point was raised about the severity of the man hunt for this guy, in light of all the other murders that occur in the state.

Since the perp was targeting cops, whom those lawabiding people rely upon to keep the deadbeats at bay, I think it was reasonable to sort it out fast. Cop killers should be given a higher priority in my opinion. It's a good message to send to dirtbags.

Again I am not bashing personal police but a society that puts the illusion that police are our frontline. They are not. The Supreme court has even ruled they are not obligated to protect and serve. The police work for us, so they should show the same due diligence when someone murders one of the folks they work for.

You have the right to your opinion that cop killers should be given higher priority but I disagree. I don't view officers lives anymore valuable than yours or mine. Again they chose their profession.

The truth of the matter is they are not keeping the dregs of society at bay. Majority of police work have nothing to do with these sort of folks.

The average response time in Bellingham is 14 minutes. I live way out in the county so its more like 20 minutes. I and my trusted neighbors are our first line of defense.
 

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sudden valley gunner wrote:
the folks they work for.

You have the right to your opinion that cop killers should be given higher priority but I disagree. I don't view officers lives anymore valuable than yours or mine. Again they chose their profession.
Even if you don't consider their lives more valuable than others, consider this. When someone takes on a well trained and armed individual like a law officer, what makes you think he will show restraint towards an unarmed and lesser trained person. After killing a police officer this individual truly had nothing left to loose and anyone crossing his path was at risk. Society was at risk and removing him from the streets should be a priority. Regardless of which lives you value more. Remember, not everyone walks the streets armed.
 

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amlevin wrote:
sudden valley gunner wrote:
the folks they work for.

You have the right to your opinion that cop killers should be given higher priority but I disagree. I don't view officers lives anymore valuable than yours or mine. Again they chose their profession.
Even if you don't consider their lives more valuable than others, consider this. When someone takes on a well trained and armed individual like a law officer, what makes you think he will show restraint towards an unarmed and lesser trained person. After killing a police officer this individual truly had nothing left to loose and anyone crossing his path was at risk. Society was at risk and removing him from the streets should be a priority. Regardless of which lives you value more. Remember, not everyone walks the streets armed.

Anybody that would murder anybody, is dangerous to society. The fact is he concentrated on police officers makes no difference in my opinion. There were other's in the store so he actually did show restraint. Again this guy is a scumbag and deserved what he got, by the totally righteous shooting of the other Police officer he might have been targeting.

I am not comfortable saying someones life is more valuable than some elses because of their position or job in life. I have seen this time and time again, whenever a cop is shot all agencies, up through the federal level make it personal, do I blame them no, is it right no.

I firmly believe we have way to many government employee's including police, crime is lower now than it was in late '80's early '90's yet have we lowered the amount of Police? No, we haven't (in most cases it has increased), do I blame people for taking a job, that pays well (contrary to popular belief), has a ton of benefits, and protected well by Unions (another problem) , no I don't.

You are right not everybody is armed, and that's one reason we are here to change that.

I will stand by officers who do their job well and within the boundaries of the law.
 

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The cops I've worked with take every murder seriously, even the ones where the victim wasn't so "innocent".

You need to realize that the drug deal gone bad in Skyway that ends with a body in the parking lot just flat isn't going to get the same air time in the media as the cold blooded murder of a police officer.

That fact that it doesn't stay in the news until someone is caught doesn't mean that there aren't folks working it aggressively. There have been instances where I have called the major crime guys in the middle of the night to respond to something, gone home at 0700 (end of my shift) and come back at 2300 for my next shift to find those same folks still working.

They put that effort in for a victim they don't know, don't have any connection to, and in some cases where the victim has some culpability in their own death. With that level of service for a "stranger", what would you expect when the victim is part of the "family"?

Sure, they will certainly put more manpower on something like this because like it or not, it is different. Argue all you want whether cops are the "first line" of defense or just the clean up crew, but the fact is that they are the guardians of our society. Our society is based on laws regulating behavior. They represent the law, they enforce the law, and they are charged with maintaining order or restoring order when it has been lost.

When that authority is challenged, or someone declares all out war, they aren't just throwing the gauntlet down for law enforcement, they are challenging each and every one of us as citizens and our societal structure. So yes, they DO present a greater threat than your "average" murderer and as such are deserving of a greater response.



There is now flak about a picture of the killer in the back of the medic unit that was "leaked" and they are going to waste time, effort, energy, and your tax dollars investigating how that could happen because it sooooo "wrong".

To be honest, I personally would have no problem if they had tied his dead body to the back of a patrol car and dragged his ass back to Forza running code, then stood around for a photo op with the dangling gristled remnants. He was a savage fooking animal and as such deserves/deserved no dignity in life or death and his rotting carcass is a trophy of society's success in removing him from our ranks.



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