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Marice Clemmons, Search. 1 house and 2 apartments Destroyed, and police nevr expected to find him

sudden valley gunner

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amlevin wrote:
Isn't it interesting, the number of people that are willing to pile it on to the Police just because someone says they trashed a house and a couple of apartments where a suspected cop killer might be. I find it very telling about our current society that so many people are willing to follow unsubstantiated reports as if they were gospel.

Give it a break and wait for the full investigation to run its course. Only then will anyone know who was doing what while the killer was on the run. It IS known that at least 4 people did assist him, some before and others after the killing. Police were acting on tips. Wonder who they came from? Friends? Family? Others wanting to cash in on the reward?

In no need to take this as a cop bash, but it is interesting how people will stand up for the police for the very same reasons.

If they can't restrain themselves they have no business being "PEACE" officers.
 

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sudden valley gunner wrote:
amlevin wrote:
Isn't it interesting, the number of people that are willing to pile it on to the Police just because someone says they trashed a house and a couple of apartments where a suspected cop killer might be. I find it very telling about our current society that so many people are willing to follow unsubstantiated reports as if they were gospel.

Give it a break and wait for the full investigation to run its course. Only then will anyone know who was doing what while the killer was on the run. It IS known that at least 4 people did assist him, some before and others after the killing. Police were acting on tips. Wonder who they came from? Friends? Family? Others wanting to cash in on the reward?

In no need to take this as a cop bash, but it is interesting how people will stand up for the police for the very same reasons.

If they can't restrain themselves they have no business being "PEACE" officers.
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DEROS72 wrote:
I find it appalling that people here are standing up for tis mans rights and the rights of his family that defended him.The Constitution applies doesnot to those people which are animals and substandard humans.I am really tempted to contact my media sources and advise them I am no longer a party to this crap and that OCDO members are sticking up for copa killer and his supporters.

The Constitution applies only to law abididng Americancitizens not to people that cross that line. Even Nickles crossed the line and should be tried for Treason against the Constitution.Any lawyer that defends them should get prison time as well........Fed up with this crap ....

There are charges against Navy Seals for beating up some terroists for killing Americans.They didn't read them their miranda rights .No one has the right to take up arms against the United States.That is insane.Should I be charged for killing Vietnamese and throwing prisoners from choppers when I was in Nam.I think not.Americans are infinatley more valuble than these people.

It amazes me that there are so few Americans here.That stand up for criminals,bash Christians,and anything that is not American except 2A you will defend.I have seen a bunch your fat asses and most have never been in combat ,or can't get a girl friend and have to pretend you are a Rambo by carrying.Most of you wouldn't know what do do with it anyway..........Good bye
Perhaps you should re-read the constitution. The constitution applies to everyone in the jurisdiction of the United States -- citizen or not. It also applies to criminals. Rights can be removed with due process, but that's it.

Have a good day.

Edit: I know this topic is very touchy for people, especially law enforcement and military. I don't mean any disrespect, so please do not take what I say to mean that. I appreciate your service, and every LEO's/Military members service to this country.
 

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DEROS72 wrote:
I have seen a bunch your fat asses and most have never been in combat ,or can't get a girl friend and have to pretend you are a Rambo by carrying.Most of you wouldn't know what do do with it anyway..........Good bye
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Please, take it easy on DEROS, guys.

He's a good guy who has made some great contributions, both on the forum, and inthe area where he lives.
 

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DEROS72 wrote:
I find it appalling that people here are standing up for tis mans rights and the rights of his family that defended him.The Constitution applies doesnot to those people which are animals and substandard humans.I am really tempted to contact my media sources and advise them I am no longer a party to this crap and that OCDO members are sticking up for copa killer and his supporters.

The Constitution applies only to law abididng Americancitizens not to people that cross that line. Even Nickles crossed the line and should be tried for Treason against the Constitution.Any lawyer that defends them should get prison time as well........Fed up with this crap ....

There are charges against Navy Seals for beating up some terroists for killing Americans.They didn't read them their miranda rights .No one has the right to take up arms against the United States.That is insane.Should I be charged for killing Vietnamese and throwing prisoners from choppers when I was in Nam.I think not.Americans are infinatley more valuble than these people.

It amazes me that there are so few Americans here.That stand up for criminals,bash Christians,and anything that is not American except 2A you will defend.I have seen a bunch your fat asses and most have never been in combat ,or can't get a girl friend and have to pretend you are a Rambo by carrying.Most of you wouldn't know what do do with it anyway..........Good bye
First off, let me say I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and all you've done for this cause. But you're just plain wrong here. Everyone has rights, even those who are utterly dispicable. This is the reason we even have them. Until a trial by jury (another important right), the rights of a citizen cannot be taken away, or at least that's how it's supposed to work.


Nickels deserves to be prosecuted for his willfull disregard of state law, but he still has the right to be represented by the lawyer of his choosing. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous and every bit as un-American as you claim we all are.
 

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I agree with you citizen but it is a little ridiculous for him to say that law breakers have no constitutional rights. We all do until we are found guilty.

The police did an outstanding job in this case, as they did with Brenton, Terry, Eggers, Rayburn, Davis, Nollmeyer, and Kinard to name a few over the last 25 years that have been slain in the line of duty. Those killers got their day in court and so should all that were involved in this case.
 

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Kildars wrote:
Edit: I know this topic is very touchy for people, especially law enforcement and military. I don't mean any disrespect, so please do not take what I say to mean that. I appreciate your service, and every LEO's/Military members service to this country.

This topic is the touchiest to broach for me and I think I can say that I am the only one on these forums that knows it as intimately as I do. You and I see fairly eye to eye on it, with minor differences and I see no disrespect in what you post. If anyone else does then I suspect they have a screw loose.
 

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joeroket wrote:
I agree with you citizen but it is a little ridiculous for him to say that law breakers have no constitutional rights. We all do until we are found guilty.

The police did an outstanding job in this case, as they did with Brenton, Terry, Eggers, Rayburn, Davis, Nollmeyer, and Kinard to name a few over the last 25 years that have been slain in the line of duty. Those killers got their day in court and so should all that were involved in this case.
Exactly.

No one here is trying to say those that assisted this murderous nutcase shouldn't be punished, but they deserve due process under the law just as much as anyone.

It has to apply to everyone, or it applies to no-one when all it said and done.
 

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joeroket wrote:
I agree with you citizen but it is a little ridiculous for him to say that law breakers have no constitutional rights. We all do until we are found guilty.

The police did an outstanding job in this case, as they did with Brenton, Terry, Eggers, Rayburn, Davis, Nollmeyer, and Kinard to name a few over the last 25 years that have been slain in the line of duty. Those killers got their day in court and so should all that were involved in this case.
I understand and agree with your stance on rights.

I was more pointing out that he is an"dearfriend" to the forum, and maybedeserves a little more patience.I'll take a chance and say what I think was underlying his post:Ithink he was just upset that peopleseemedopposed to the police in this black hour for police, seemed to be pulling for the criminal and any abetters in his fugitive-ness.

I also took him a little differently on his words, tone aside. I took him to mean that theconstitution is not intended to protect criminals in thecomprehensive vein. By comprehensive vein I mean that the constitutionis intended to protect decent folks; it only incidentally protects criminals. I took him to mean itthis way.
 

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Deros is the Reason wrote:
SNIP you've got to be @#$%ting me, you are one of the reasons this forum has gone tits up, you say you want your rights, but then no one elses rights matter? my god and bragging about tossing POW's out of choppers to their death. you should see a F'n shrink. you may have served but with what you have said you are a disgrace to the uniform of anyone LEO or Military.

the 2A is all you seem to care about, and I can see why half the forum is pissed off they want to unite and you tell them no. and then someone else does it and they get crapped on.

saying that its allright to violate peoples rights is so uncool yet you want them to honor yours. so messed up dude. you won't be missed as i am sure others on here will be also.
Welcome back, BooBoo. :uhoh:
 

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Citizen wrote:
joeroket wrote:
I agree with you citizen but it is a little ridiculous for him to say that law breakers have no constitutional rights. We all do until we are found guilty.

The police did an outstanding job in this case, as they did with Brenton, Terry, Eggers, Rayburn, Davis, Nollmeyer, and Kinard to name a few over the last 25 years that have been slain in the line of duty. Those killers got their day in court and so should all that were involved in this case.
I understand and agree with your stance on rights. 

I was more pointing out that he is an "dear friend" to the forum, and maybe deserves a little more patience.  I'll take a chance and say what I think was underlying his post:  I think he was just upset that people seemed opposed to the police in this black hour for police, seemed to be pulling for the criminal and any abetters in his fugitive-ness. 

I also took him a little differently on his words, tone aside.  I took him to mean that the constitution is not intended to protect criminals in the comprehensive vein.  By comprehensive vein I mean that the constitution is intended to protect decent folks; it only incidentally protects criminals.  I took him to mean it this way.    

 

Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Your outlook on his meaning that it incidentally protects criminals is very thought provoking.
 

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Dr. Fresh wrote:
Nickels deserves to be prosecuted for his willfull disregard of state law, but he still has the right to be represented by the lawyer of his choosing. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous and every bit as un-American as you claim we all are.
How much you wanna bet the lawyer of his choosing will be paid out of the city budget, if not require a tax increase?

If we were in an alternate universe where the corrupt weren't rewarded, and he was forced to pay his own lawyer and be cut off from his salary and city treasury, he'd:
1) Get a pro-bono lawyer
2) Represent himself
3) Plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the court

One can dream.
 

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joeroket wrote:
Kildars wrote:
Edit: I know this topic is very touchy for people, especially law enforcement and military. I don't mean any disrespect, so please do not take what I say to mean that. I appreciate your service, and every LEO's/Military members service to this country.

This topic is the touchiest to broach for me and I think I can say that I am the only one on these forums that knows it as intimately as I do. You and I see fairly eye to eye on it, with minor differences and I see no disrespect in what you post. If anyone else does then I suspect they have a screw loose.
Thank you sir.
 

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What is it about Open Carry that causes people to cheer on the police to commit acts, which ultimately cause even more citizens to become angry at the police?

I have seen so much evil and wickedness on this forum from people that I used to respect, that I have become thoroughly disgusted.
 

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Neutral corners please. Let's take the in-fighting, name calling and self-destruction somewhere else.

Yata hey
 

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44Brent wrote:
What is it about Open Carry that causes people to cheer on the police to commit acts, which ultimately cause even more citizens to become angry at the police?

I have seen so much evil and wickedness on this forum from people that I used to respect, that I have become thoroughly disgusted.

I agree, I am sorry for what happened to these police officers and what their family has to go through, but am not going to condone wrong behavior by LEO's.

I further am saddened and distressed on how since it was officers shot, all the LEO's in Washington were on high alert and out to get this guy. Yet we have murders all the the time in this state, and we don't see suchmassive manhunts except when it comes to an officers life. Let's not forget these folks chose their occupations and knew the risk associated with it.

I really like Deros he has been a good friend to this forum and personally. He always has had strong support for LEO and military, maybe showing his frustration a little that others don't feel the same way. I personally don't agree with what he said but I know where he is coming from.
 

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Stoked,

Thanks for explaining the procedure for flashbangs. Furthermore, it seemslogical, that sinceit's a whole family of undesireables, they certainly may have played up the damage. I prefer to give the Police the benefit of the doubt.

I think the rational people here truly feel for the officers and their families. I don't believe they are insincere.

I also suspect that many are happy it ended the way it did, w/o the murdering thug wasting our money on his trial and incarceration.

However, the last part, the one you expected to take flak about is interesting for me.

You know that asa Police officer, the odds of you interacting with those that are law abiding, friendly and respect the policeare greatly reduced.Most like that only see police driving around,and usually never get to talk to them.

You have a much higher chance of interacting with those of poorer breeding and less than sound judgement,those that think violence is appropriate and have limited vocabulary. This is the nature of the job, dealing with criminals and deadbeats. You know this going into work every day. You have chosen this line of work, I know it's not for me, and I have chosen other employment.

Another point was raised about the severity of the man hunt for this guy, in light of all the other murders that occur in the state.

Since the perp was targeting cops, whom those lawabiding people rely upon to keep the deadbeats at bay, I think it was reasonable to sort it out fast. Cop killers should be given a higher priority in my opinion. It's a good message to send to dirtbags.

I just hope that it's sorted out within the confines of the Law, as opposed to unlawful vengence.
 
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