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[Mike]

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dixieborn wrote:

For example, in every discussion on here, he redirects the argument and clings to the -52 statute. This statute is admittedly unclear. But thankfully we have court cases and AG opinions that clarify it for us!

Right, but to be fair, gun rights supporters also often go to far in pointing to text of constitutional provisions and statutes as supporting their right to bear arms - no right is unlimited, and in our society courts are the ones to tell us what the text actually mean when read together with other statutes, legislative intent, competing constitutional provisions, etc., . . . sometimes we like what the courts say, and sometimes we don't, but that's the rule of law - better than the alternative.

 

[dixieborn]

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Mike wrote:

dixieborn wrote:

For example, in every discussion on here, he redirects the argument and clings to the -52 statute. This statute is admittedly unclear. But thankfully we have court cases and AG opinions that clarify it for us!

Right, but to be fair, gun rights supporters also often go to far in pointing to text of constitutional provisions and statutes as supporting their right to bear arms - no right is unlimited, and in our society courts are the ones to tell us what the text actually mean when read together with other statutes, legislative intent, competing constitutional provisions, etc., . . . sometimes we like what the courts say, and sometimes we don't, but that's the rule of law - better than the alternative.

True enough, I see your point. And if I do so, I hope someone is good enough to point it out to me, and I hope I am humble enough to admit my error. What annoys me is this guy's refusal to address these other sources and his purposeful ignorance of the intent of our laws.

Thanks for your point.

 

[Bird Dog]

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dixieborn wrote:

Bird Dog has not once addressed these AG opinions that clearly lay out the fact that open carry is legal in Alabama. Apparently this cop's interpretation of the law is more important and is supposed to carry more weight than judges' and AG's official interpretations of the law...

Actually, I think I addressed most of this materialin the thread titled, "This law seems to prohibit a lot of OC"

Take a look at my comments there before you conclude that I have dodged the law. If you have a specific case oropinion thatyou want me to address after that, I will.

 

[Dianosis]

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Then please respond to my last post here.....

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum59/43806-2.html

 

[Bird Dog]

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Dianosis wrote:

Then please respond to my last post here.....

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum59/43806-2.html

Done.

 

[SlackwareRobert]

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Possmo wrote:

I can't find a law specifically clarifying my right to be asian in Alabama...:what:

See latest AZ books for 'illegal' asian law. Falls under the english drivers test
regulations in AL.... Between duhh, and hugh if you want to see the language
spelled out in invisible red ink.

Myself I would be happy if they would just repeal the "I can be an idiot" law.
Get rid of that one and the rest will fall in place.

But since Birmingham's position is you need a state law authorizing the city council
to obey the law, I can understand the confusion by a lowly sheriff. With all the
special exemptions for police he can hardly be expected to behave like he gaduated
the 3rd gade and can reed.

Perhaps that is why they keep the permit fee so low so you can't demand a jury trial
by staying under the $50 cutoff. But they forget the $$ loss includes the loss of our
cars which cannot be used without a permit.

 

[ixtow]

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Possmo wrote:

I can't find a law specifically clarifying my right to be asian in Alabama...:what:

Then you best run bo-ah!

"Is she a virgin?"
"As untouched as an Asian Woman's turn signal..."

 

[ixtow]

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I'm back in FL for a while... Dothan AL is within driving distance.

I volunteer for Coffee Co.

Since I'm Interstate, does the transportation quibble apply?

Eye and I (wow, the only words in the English language, that I am aware of, that are both homonyms and palindromes) have had words here and there, but I trust his input to this thread. And for once, our opinion on 'sue' is in parity.

I haven't been to THAT Waffle House yet... Gotta collect 'em all!

Dianosis, can you PM the lawyer you're using?

 

[ixtow]

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Mike wrote:

better than the alternative.

I'm not so sure about that.

 

[Mike]

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ixtow wrote:

Since I'm Interstate, does the transportation quibble apply?

You don't have a permit accepted by Alabama?

 

[Dianosis]

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Excerpt from a recent conversation with a Lt. :

Are you from Florida. I responded No, Sir. He said well, I was just asking because it’s legal in Florida, but not Alabama. I said, Sir, I believe just the opposite is true, Florida doesn’t allow open carry but Alabama does. He said no that’s not right....

 

[ixtow]

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Mike wrote:

ixtow wrote:

Since I'm Interstate, does the transportation quibble apply?

You don't have a permit accepted by Alabama?

No, I stopped begging for permission, paying money for a Right, and being treated like a sex offender for it several years ago.

Not to mention how easy it is to become a sex offender without any knowledge or action on your own part...

 

[ixtow]

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Dianosis wrote:

Excerpt from a recent conversation with a Lt. :

Are you from Florida. I responded No, Sir. He said well, I was just asking because it’s legal in Florida, but not Alabama. I said, Sir, I believe just the opposite is true, Florida doesn’t allow open carry but Alabama does. He said no that’s not right....

What a moron.

OC is definitely not legal in FL. And it definitely is in AL...

I'm just trying to sort out the car/driving situation.

 

[Kirbinator]

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ixtow wrote:

What a moron.

OC is definitely not legal in FL. And it definitely is in AL...

I'll never understand why a state with 50% of the populace over the age of 50 which also has the biggest snakes, crocs, and alligators refuses to allow open carry. You can't brandish a weapon if you can't get it off your belt. (Can you OC a sword there?)

 

[ixtow]

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Kirbinator wrote:

ixtow wrote:

What a moron.

OC is definitely not legal in FL. And it definitely is in AL...

I'll never understand why a state with 50% of the populace over the age of 50 which also has the biggest snakes, crocs, and alligators refuses to allow open carry. You can't brandish a weapon if you can't get it off your belt. (Can you OC a sword there?)

I've been threatened (and observed others being convicted for it), that if you are carrying your rifle out to your car to go to the range, and you step on the sidewalk, you're a felon.

I'm sure others with access to case law can verify, I don't have access at the moment.

 

[jayspapa]

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Are you speaking about the long gun being in a case or openly carrying it to the car ?? Seems like to me if it is in a case there wouldn't be any problemif you steped on the sidewalk while storeing the gun in a vehical.

That " shall not be infringed "sure takes a beating!!! :banghead::cuss:

 

[eye95]

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ixtow wrote:

Dianosis wrote:

Excerpt from a recent conversation with a Lt. :

Are you from Florida. I responded No, Sir. He said well, I was just asking because it’s legal in Florida, but not Alabama. I said, Sir, I believe just the opposite is true, Florida doesn’t allow open carry but Alabama does. He said no that’s not right....

What a moron.

OC is definitely not legal in FL. And it definitely is in AL...

I'm just trying to sort out the car/driving situation.

Why do you feel the need to insult those with whom you disagree? Does it make you feel superior? You don't come off as superior when you do. You come off as lacking in the ability to formulate a rational reply and therefore are doomed to respond in the emotional realm.

While I generally avoid name-calling, were I to post in the Florida forum, I would be particularly careful to watch my manners as I would consider myself a guest in someone else's home.

 

[SlackwareRobert]

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Maybe he was a fish and game warden in FL, and didn't remember that he had
the only legal way to OC there. There is only so much room between the ears
for misinformation to be crammed into, need the space for harassment 101 classes
so you have promotionable skills.:cuss::cuss:

 

[DJDD]

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eye95 wrote:

ixtow wrote:

Dianosis wrote:

Excerpt from a recent conversation with a Lt. :

Are you from Florida. I responded No, Sir. He said well, I was just asking because it’s legal in Florida, but not Alabama. I said, Sir, I believe just the opposite is true, Florida doesn’t allow open carry but Alabama does. He said no that’s not right....

What a moron.

OC is definitely not legal in FL. And it definitely is in AL...

I'm just trying to sort out the car/driving situation.

Why do you feel the need to insult those with whom you disagree? Does it make you feel superior? You don't come off as superior when you do. You come off as lacking in the ability to formulate a rational reply and therefore are doomed to respond in the emotional realm.

While I generally avoid name-calling, were I to post in the Florida forum, I would be particularly careful to watch my manners as I would consider myself a guest in someone else's home.

I think ixtow was referring to the Lt. as a moron, not Dianosis.......







I think I might agree with him.

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

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DJDD wrote:

I think ixtow was referring to the Lt. as a moron, not Dianosis.......

Even so, the officer is not necessarily a moron, merely misinformed. Perhaps even willfully ignorant.

But I agree, what a moron. :banghead: