Major Incident in Dothan Yesterday WARNING!

[eye95]

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I will sign.

 

[Vondelta]

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Kirbinator wrote:

Who wants to spin AlabamaOpenCarry.Org as a 501c3? It takes a minimum of three signatures, and meetings must be held which are open to the public.

What is a 501c3?

 

[DJDD]

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This is the case we've been waiting for to blow our grassroots movement wide open. It sucks that this has happened to such a great guy, but if his weapon was illegally held then we have a case that is concrete. I was discussing this with a co-worker who has guns but is not an avid supporter of CC or OC, he just has them for protection. He stated that this makes his blood boil at the ignorance of the officers and sheriff involved.



Remember that we're all here just waiting for the word Dianosis. The moment you say go I believe that a flood of emails, letters, and phone calls will be made.

 

[DJDD]

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Vondelta wrote:

Kirbinator wrote:

Who wants to spin AlabamaOpenCarry.Org as a 501c3? It takes a minimum of three signatures, and meetings must be held which are open to the public.

What is a 501c3?

A non-profit organization. Might be a good idea but we'd need some heavy backing (OCDO maybe?)

 

[cowboy67]

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Kirbinator wrote:

Who wants to spin AlabamaOpenCarry.Org as a 501c3? It takes a minimum of three signatures, and meetings must be held which are open to the public.

I'm In.

I also sent an email with the Trifold and some of the other literature off the ALOC website.

 

[49er]

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Here's my transcription of the sheriff's explanation of open carry for easy
reference. I'm not putting it in quotes, because it ismy unofficial transcription
of what he said, transcribed accuratelyto the best of my ability:

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I really don't think right now that we have a law that allows open carry in public
places in Alabama. Now you can open carry if if you're on your property, say you
have a house and there's five hundred contiguous acres uh there with your residence, and you're there on your property the whole time, you can carry openly or concealed uh as much as you want to. If you have a business, and say you leave your handgun at your business, and you don't travel between your home and your business with a handgun, then you can carry that handgun in your business, open carry, as long as you stay there in your business on, on your premises. Or if you're managing the store, if a, if a business is under your control, you don't even have to own the business, according to the law. But once you transport that handgun and once you put it on your person, or you put it in a vehicle and it's concealed on your person or in that vehicle, then you have to have a permit in the state of Alabama.

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[Deacon Blues]

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Kirbinator wrote:

Who wants to spin AlabamaOpenCarry.Org as a 501c3? It takes a minimum of three signatures, and meetings must be held which are open to the public.

It might be better to go 501(c)(4), due to all the political prohibitions on 501(c)(3). It could be difficult for us to remain "non-partisan" and neither "support nor oppose" anyone running for public office. We'd just have to make a good case for our org promoting "social welfare."

Oh, and contributions wouldn't be tax-deductible, either. :uhoh:

 

[SFCRetired]

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[eye95]

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The sheriff just demonstrated his ignorance of how law works in this nation. There does not have to be a law that allows open carry. Unless there is a law that makes it illegal, it is legal.

I guess that this sheriff thinks that he can stop anything he doesn't want people to do as long as there is no law saying we can do it. If he mistakenly thinks this, he shouldn't be a sheriff.

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

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Deacon Blues wrote:

Kirbinator wrote:

Who wants to spin AlabamaOpenCarry.Org as a 501c3? It takes a minimum of three signatures, and meetings must be held which are open to the public.

It might be better to go 501(c)(4), due to all the political prohibitions on 501(c)(3). It could be difficult for us to remain "non-partisan" and neither "support nor oppose" anyone running for public office. We'd just have to make a good case for our org promoting "social welfare."

Oh, and contributions wouldn't be tax-deductible, either. :uhoh:

As long as our 'primary purpose' isn't political, we should be okay as a (c)(3), but I'm okay with either. Who wants to write up our charter and file the paperwork? Not it! Just kidding. I'll help however I can.

That goes for you, too, Dianosis.:celebrate

 

[AL Ranger]

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eye95 wrote:

The sheriff just demonstrated his ignorance of how law works in this nation. There does not have to be a law that allows open carry. Unless there is a law that makes it illegal, it is legal.

I guess that this sheriff thinks that he can stop anything he doesn't want people to do as long as there is no law saying we can do it. If he mistakenly thinks this, he shouldn't be a sheriff.

Absolutely, dude! Well said! The law doesn't HAVE to allow...if it ain't illegal, by definition, it's LEGAL!

 

[SFCRetired]

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[Grapeshot]

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Kirbinator wrote:

http://www.rickeystokesnews.com/article.php/concealed-and-open-carry-of-handguns-in-alabama--sheriff-hughes-addresses-the-issues-10606 Hrm... I wonder...

The Sheriff's ignorance of the law is hung out on the line for all to see.

Hope he has deep pockets.

Yata hey

 

[AL Ranger]

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Okay, boys and girls! I saw the video about Sheriff Hughes, by Rickey Stokes, on YouTube. I made a comment about the Sheriff being wrong and listed the applicable laws in the little space I had available. The video author channel, JSKeppy, DELETED my comment from the video page. I went to his channel page, listed some more information, including this website and OCDO where he could check it out for all legal documents pertaining to Open Carry and that comment was deleted as well. It appears we have a so-called news source that prints and broadcasts what he wants to hear regardless of the truth. Gee, like that has never happened.

 

[Kirbinator]

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Apparently he's not aware that he has to give equal time/space....

 

[Dianosis]

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To everyone, thank you so much for rallying behind me, you really don't know how it made me feel. You have lifted my spirits. I am sorry for not being able to elaborate further at the moment. This whole situation happened at the worst time possible. I am typing this from a motel in Kentucky where I am on a trip I committed to with my church.

I am trying to handle the situation with parties back home while on the road as best I can til I get back in the area, which will be sometime Saturday night. I promise information will be forthcoming as soon as I can comfortably do so. Please bare with me, I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Thanks again for the support!

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

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AL Ranger wrote:

Okay, boys and girls! I saw the video about Sheriff Hughes, by Rickey Stokes, on YouTube. I made a comment about the Sheriff being wrong and listed the applicable laws in the little space I had available. The video author channel, JSKeppy, DELETED my comment from the video page. I went to his channel page, listed some more information, including this website and OCDO where he could check it out for all legal documents pertaining to Open Carry and that comment was deleted as well. It appears we have a so-called news source that prints and broadcasts what he wants to hear regardless of the truth. Gee, like that has never happened.

I also commented on his YouTube video. It is awaiting 'approval'. I would recommend anyone who tries to comment to be polite and professional. Maybe he is at least reading the comments before he deletes them and might learn something.

Oh, and noticed this from his channel page:

Occupation:
Management, RickeyStokesNews.com Owner - K-Arms (Firearms, ammo, NFA weapons)

I think we can add K-Arms to the list of businesses we won't support. :banghead:

 

[AL Ranger]

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If you want to email Sheriff Highes'department, here's the link:http://www.houstoncounty.org/Email_Forms/Sheriffs_Department/EF_Sheriffs_Department.htm

 

[IndianaBoy79]

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AL Ranger wrote:

If you want to email Sheriff Highes'department, here's the link:http://www.houstoncounty.org/Email_Forms/Sheriffs_Department/EF_Sheriffs_Department.htm

Done

To Sheriff Hughes:

In reference to your recent interview concerning the revocation of a concealed weapons permit, you need to check your facts. My sister was an officer in Auburn for several years and would be appalled at your lack of due diligence in knowing the laws you pro-port to serve.
It's interesting to me that you direct people to the Attorney General's website; here is what I found there.

http://www.ago.alabama.gov/oldopinions/8400205.pdf

In the Attorney General's opinion, "...a permit is not required when a person afoot carries an unconcealed pistol." This was decided in the Looney v. State decision.

I am further shocked that you direct people to call you for advice on the law. Your duty is to uphold the laws and the constitution of Alabama, not reeducate and misdirect the public.

Lastly, you erred in confiscating this gentleman's sidearm. No crime was committed and there was no reason to believe one would be committed imminently. This is clearly an unjust and unlawful seizure.

I can't wait to see the decision on this one; you sir are in for a ride.

Sincerely,
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[kwikrnu]

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IndianaBoy79 wrote:

AL Ranger wrote:

If you want to email Sheriff Highes'department, here's the link:http://www.houstoncounty.org/Email_Forms/Sheriffs_Department/EF_Sheriffs_Department.htm

Done

To Sheriff Hughes:

In reference to your recent interview concerning the revocation of a concealed weapons permit, you need to check your facts. My sister was an officer in Auburn for several years and would be appalled at your lack of due diligence in knowing the laws you pro-port to serve.
It's interesting to me that you direct people to the Attorney General's website; here is what I found there.

http://www.ago.alabama.gov/oldopinions/8400205.pdf

In the Attorney General's opinion, "...a permit is not required when a person afoot carries an unconcealed pistol." This was decided in the Looney v. State decision.

I am further shocked that you direct people to call you for advice on the law. Your duty is to uphold the laws and the constitution of Alabama, not reeducate and misdirect the public.

Lastly, you erred in confiscating this gentleman's sidearm. No crime was committed and there was no reason to believe one would be committed imminently. This is clearly an unjust and unlawful seizure.

I can't wait to see the decision on this one; you sir are in for a ride.

Sincerely,
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Not only does the guy have a 1983 case he has one with the added bonus that the sheriff retaliated against him. It meets the requirements of retaliation when they took his handgun carry permit for no reason.