Macomb Daily "letters to the editor",Hamaneggs reply to"gun proponents oppose mosque"

[slowfiveoh]

You know what the beauty of Christianity is? You are free to accept or reject Jesus. I personally resent your implying that I (or any other Christian on this board) has "dictated" a thing to you.

Please note that I am not saying your beliefs are "abhorrent." I will leave that little bit of incivility to you.

Yes leave that bit of "incivility" to me.

How do Christians "dictate" things to me? Oh boy is that easy!

"and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Newflash to Eye95, prior to you "moving on".

I was raised Fundamental Baptist, and spent 3 years of my high school days in a Christian School. I attended various Churches for over 25 years. While you are trying to state I am being "uncivil", I will do you the courtesy of not making such an ignorant inference.

The same corruption the Christian bible preaches is in the world, is the same corruption that exists in the very place of "Gods Worship". In his "own house" there is more corruption than at a convention of Atheists and Agnostics in a porno convention. In every church that exists today, Jesus himself would be overturning tables in rage.

Yet Christians still keep up the front.

Amazing.

The bible teaches to go out into the world, and preach to all the people. This in and of itself is a commandment to pester other people about your dogmatic religion. It is the driving impetus behind your knocking on my door with a group of high school kids, to tell me how wonderful God is, and how "He has sent you" (In itself pompous).

Another newsflash:

I used to be EXTREMELY active in youth group.


Now, I do not have anything against you guys believing whatever you want. Memorize whole Psalms if you think it makes you a better person. Read your little book "written by God", and believe it all you want.

No skin off of my back.


Just realize that you are NO BETTER than the Muslims you claim are evil, foul, or otherwise.

Come to think of it, I have never had a Muslim come to my door with a cheesy, fake, and posturing smile, to tell me about "how great Allah is".

I wonder if in the Mosque they have the same issues and 99% of churches in this country?

Maybe the pastors wife is getting nailed by one of the deacons, several Muslim teens are pregnant by some of the other good christian boys, and a large percentage of the youth group can be tweaked out on various drugs.

I wouldn't know, because they don't come to my door asking me to come join in this nonsense.

Just sayin, and you're "movin on".

 

[BJA]

It is their right to build the mosque......... so what else needs to be said? My recommendation for many on this thread is move on and concentrate your efforts on more important things of which your intelligence will be usefull.


If you want to argue if it's distastefull or not, I say again concentrate your efforts on more important things of which your intelligence will be usefull.

 

[eye95]

Yes leave that bit of "incivility" to me.

How do Christians "dictate" things to me? Oh boy is that easy!

"and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Newflash to Eye95, prior to you "moving on".

I was raised Fundamental Baptist, and spent 3 years of my high school days in a Christian School. I attended various Churches for over 25 years. While you are trying to state I am being "uncivil", I will do you the courtesy of not making such an ignorant inference.

The same corruption the Christian bible preaches is in the world, is the same corruption that exists in the very place of "Gods Worship". In his "own house" there is more corruption than at a convention of Atheists and Agnostics in a porno convention. In every church that exists today, Jesus himself would be overturning tables in rage.

Yet Christians still keep up the front.

Amazing.

The bible teaches to go out into the world, and preach to all the people. This in and of itself is a commandment to pester other people about your dogmatic religion. It is the driving impetus behind your knocking on my door with a group of high school kids, to tell me how wonderful God is, and how "He has sent you" (In itself pompous).

Another newsflash:

I used to be EXTREMELY active in youth group.


Now, I do not have anything against you guys believing whatever you want. Memorize whole Psalms if you think it makes you a better person. Read your little book "written by God", and believe it all you want.

No skin off of my back.


Just realize that you are NO BETTER than the Muslims you claim are evil, foul, or otherwise.

Come to think of it, I have never had a Muslim come to my door with a cheesy, fake, and posturing smile, to tell me about "how great Allah is".

I wonder if in the Mosque they have the same issues and 99% of churches in this country?

Maybe the pastors wife is getting nailed by one of the deacons, several Muslim teens are pregnant by some of the other good christian boys, and a large percentage of the youth group can be tweaked out on various drugs.

I wouldn't know, because they don't come to my door asking me to come join in this nonsense.

Just sayin, and you're "movin on".

You might ask yourself if the resentment you feel toward other Christians who are in no way "dictating" a single thing to you is not the displacement of that reaction from its true target.

Again, I don't see a single Christian on this board "dictating" anything to you.

That being said, since you are choosing to make this personal, rather than rational, I will, as you predicted, move on. I hope you continue to conduct the civil discussion elsewhere that you usually do.

 

[slowfiveoh]

You might ask yourself if the resentment you feel toward other Christians who are in no way "dictating" a single thing to you is not the displacement of that reaction from its true target.

Nice deflection.

I never stated I resent Christians. That was your ad-hominem.

What I do resent, is the cluttering up of the board with the same old tired dogmatic crap that anybody could go to church on Sunday to hear. It is also the persistence of some "believers" that they vilify Islam in an attempt to rationalize their views. It is my intention to point out that in all true reality, the religions share a lot of common traits, and the vilification (and simmonsjoes tireless efforts to disprove a lot of commentary) of Islam is nothing but the proverbial beam in the eye.

Again, I don't see a single Christian on this board "dictating" anything to you.

Never said on this board. Again, that is your inference.

There IS however, a portion of professed "believers" doing all they can to vilify islam on here, while summarily dismissing all that Christianity has done.

That being said, since you are choosing to make this personal, rather than rational, I will, as you predicted, move on. I hope you continue to conduct the civil discussion elsewhere that you usually do.

Personal was taking my comment about the abhorrent nature of religion and applying it to yourself.

Are you sleeping with the pastors wife?
Impregnating teens?
Any of the above?

No?

Then that particular comment likely does not apply to you.

 

[Bailenforcer]

Nice try I specifically mentioned past vs future and we live in the NOW and face the future, and NO where does the bible tell us to murder anyone. The Qur'an ORDERS them to murder you, here and NOW and on the future. Also the Qur'an list is many times longer and again it's not in the past, it is for now and the future. I also mentioned I couldn't list it all. if I did it would take up many pages of this thread. if you are going to engage in intellectual battles then come armed, and not twist things. Now show me where the Bible tells me to kill people today, or in the future.

here's a list that's much longer than yours (to play devil's advocate, no apologetics)
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

 

[Bailenforcer]

I am a Christian as they call it and I am against these laws, as they are not scriptural. Blame the Roman Catholic Church for the laws you listed not Christians. It was a power grab by Rome. I have and will speak out against any of these laws because Christianity is a choice not an edict. Jesus made a statement he came for the house of Israel not the pagans. We are to share the Gospel only with those who are willing and we are ORDERED to dust our feet off and leave when not accepted. So your false accusations of force are just that false and in ignorance. Rome does not speak for me. I despise blue laws telling me I couldn't hunt on Sunday, when my Sabbath is not Sunday.

Know what the problem is? People believe the voodoo and vote to impose that belief upon others, rather than just following their own creed and letting others do the same. That's how we end up with blue state laws (crazy ass liquor laws), special benefits for married people while not allowing same sex couples to be married, drug warriors who blow billions every year, morality laws that amount to "this is against the bible", et cetera.

I'm more than happy to reject a being that doesn't exist, as much good as it does. The problem is that people who believe those fables end up impacting me and others around me, directly. I'll ignore the extremists like WBC or FLDS or ...

 

[Bailenforcer]

A foreign power has NO rights over the rights of the PEOPLE of this country. Islam is not just a religion it is in fact a world political power with 1.6 BILLION members. And before you get that soap boc out I also am well known to call out Rome and it's forcing others to live by it's rules.

It is their right to build the mosque......... so what else needs to be said? My recommendation for many on this thread is move on and concentrate your efforts on more important things of which your intelligence will be usefull.


If you want to argue if it's distastefull or not, I say again concentrate your efforts on more important things of which your intelligence will be usefull.

 

[Bailenforcer]

I am sorry for your bitterness, it must be very painful. No one has the right to dictate to anyone and Christianity has no right to dictate either and NO where can you point out after the crucifixion where we are to dictate instead it warns us to "dust off our feet" and move on if people do not accept our message. Anyone dictating is in violation to the laws of Yahusuha (GOD).

Preaching is teaching and you already knew this if what you said is true. One can not teach if they will not listen and accept, so your assertions failed.

Muslims do in fact force their beliefs on people with the treat of death so how is that equated with someone saying Jesus loves you? Nice try at dishonesty. I have had Muslims in Dearborn try to shove their ideals down my throat and get angry at me because I very politely said Thank you but I have my own beliefs, and was told Allah will destroy me raising their voices at me. Never have out of the 6 times I had a Mormon or Jehovah's witness scream in my face, yes they are annoying and after I asked them to please take me off their list I never heard from them again.

Didn't The Christ Messiah say he came not for the perfect but for sinners? yes he in fact did and You are 100% correct the debauchery in the Church today is way out of line and this is why I no longer attend a building service, I do it at home with friends IE: Fellowship.

You have much anger and bitterness and there's nothing I can do for this. I guess you need to pray for it to heal. But to equate a religion where murder is a daily ritual still today, with someone saying Jesus loves you is pure dishonesty, even if I agree those smiling buffoons annoy me as well. But again I don't equate a Cult like Mormonism and Jehovah's witness as Christian as they outwardly violate the laws of GOD and contradict GOD with their own versions of the bible.
And if all those Television preachers went off the TV I would be happy, they teach in violation to the bible as well, and are engaging in Idolatry, as most churches today are. But the bible warned us this was coming didn't it?

I have never been in the lounge before so if I am slow to respond forgive me. A PM will work if one wants to understand why I am so different from the Idol worshipers in Christianity today.

Yes leave that bit of "incivility" to me.

How do Christians "dictate" things to me? Oh boy is that easy!

"and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Newflash to Eye95, prior to you "moving on".

I was raised Fundamental Baptist, and spent 3 years of my high school days in a Christian School. I attended various Churches for over 25 years. While you are trying to state I am being "uncivil", I will do you the courtesy of not making such an ignorant inference.

The same corruption the Christian bible preaches is in the world, is the same corruption that exists in the very place of "Gods Worship". In his "own house" there is more corruption than at a convention of Atheists and Agnostics in a porno convention. In every church that exists today, Jesus himself would be overturning tables in rage.

Yet Christians still keep up the front.

Amazing.

The bible teaches to go out into the world, and preach to all the people. This in and of itself is a commandment to pester other people about your dogmatic religion. It is the driving impetus behind your knocking on my door with a group of high school kids, to tell me how wonderful God is, and how "He has sent you" (In itself pompous).

Another newsflash:

I used to be EXTREMELY active in youth group.


Now, I do not have anything against you guys believing whatever you want. Memorize whole Psalms if you think it makes you a better person. Read your little book "written by God", and believe it all you want.

No skin off of my back.


Just realize that you are NO BETTER than the Muslims you claim are evil, foul, or otherwise.

Come to think of it, I have never had a Muslim come to my door with a cheesy, fake, and posturing smile, to tell me about "how great Allah is".

I wonder if in the Mosque they have the same issues and 99% of churches in this country?

Maybe the pastors wife is getting nailed by one of the deacons, several Muslim teens are pregnant by some of the other good christian boys, and a large percentage of the youth group can be tweaked out on various drugs.

I wouldn't know, because they don't come to my door asking me to come join in this nonsense.

Just sayin, and you're "movin on".

 

[rodbender]

And why has every open carry advocate that I've spoken to said that they would deny American-Muslims their First Amendment rights to build an Islamic community center near Ground Zero in New York city?

Did they all say they would deny them this, or maybe that they don't think it is right for them to do it? Or maybe it's not a good idea. Big difference.

I find it extremely hard to believe that every open carry avocate that you talked to have said this.

I say FOUL

 

[rodbender]

Today JESUS would tell me to sell my coat and buy two Glocks!

Only if he knew you would need one to shoot off the ear of a Roman soldier as he was being arrested.

 

[Jack House]

A lot of folks who don't like the dissent with the mosque cannot rationally deal with that dissent being, "They shouldn't build the mosque." So, they invent the strawman that we are trying to deny the constitutional rights of the mosque builders (which we recognize and support) because that imagined argument is possible (even easy) to refute.

They are arguing with themselves, not with the opposition.

Oh sweet, sweet irony, you have struck again.

I would have added that most OC supporters recognize the constitutional right of the people to build the Mosque.

I mentioned that OCers as part of the majority of americans had a problem with the insensitivity of the issue,not the constitutionality.Did you read my reply "Majority against the mosque",which the editor named?

I was mostly harping on this part.

The First Amendment does not state the freedom to build a mosque anywhere you want. Aticle 1 Sec. 6 of the Michigan Constitution states, "every person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state(the people)."

You're saying they don't have a right to build their Mosque where it will offend you. Which was their complaint.

 

[slowfiveoh]

I am sorry for your bitterness, it must be very painful. No one has the right to dictate to anyone and Christianity has no right to dictate either and NO where can you point out after the crucifixion where we are to dictate instead it warns us to "dust off our feet" and move on if people do not accept our message. Anyone dictating is in violation to the laws of Yahusuha (GOD).

Preaching is teaching and you already knew this if what you said is true. One can not teach if they will not listen and accept, so your assertions failed...

Thank you for your empty commentary.

I am not bitter, just real.

Said reality often brings people to write long dissertations that are completely pointless in respect to the topic I have brought up.

Oh, here's a little Pro-Tip for your argument.

You cannot force your beliefs down anybodies throats, this is true. However, you can attempt to preach about it. Much as you have done here.

Thanks for proving my point! :lol:

 

[BJA]

Quit wasting time on this and concentrate on you own freedoms!!!!

I in my own belief respect their right as a religion to build the mosque there. It may be distasteful but I don't waste my time fighting things that are distastefull as there are so many, and in many cases it's just people looking for attention. Yet if fighting distastefull ideas etc. is your thing then go ahead make a hoo-haa about it and protest etc. thats your right. I'll be busy concentrating my logic, and precious time protecting my individual rights, the rights of my future kids, the rights of my future grandkids, college, and the upcoming election. For those of you with logic and time to waste over whats distasteful and whats not have at it..... i guess.....