Lynchburg Area - OC reports

[jmelvin]

Had dinner at the local Texas Roadhouse last night with the wifester and one of our lady friends who was introducing us to her new man. From what she'd told me I already knew he was a gun owner, but I was pleasantly surprised to walk in to the restaurant and see him open carrying a Springfield 1911. Turns out he's a Massachusetts sourced guy who seems to fit in just fine down here from the best I can tell. We chatted about guns, airplanes, and all sorts of other stuff, but it was nice to not just see another OCer out and about, but know one's attached to my friend.

 

[jmelvin]

Two Lynchburg College students were violently beat and robbed at gun point at "gun-free" Lynchburg College yesterday:

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/loc...cle_e6ae5a4a-8952-11e3-bdf2-001a4bcf6878.html

LC is right at the edge of some rougher areas and locals know the college forbids its students from carrying defensive tools (but they can call police!)

 

[Table]

I will be contacting the Dean of Students

When the students of LC call LPD first, they are treated as the perpetrator by LC Security, not the victim. I'll be contacting the Dean of Students to ask what they are doing about the rash of break-ins, stalking and now this. A lot of my money goes to that school...

 

[jmelvin]

That's sad to hear Air. I know this isn't the first of such crimes on or near campus, which isn't in the best of areas and is awfully close to some of the rougher portions of the city. This of course doesn't even speak to the occasional presence of bear on campus.

If you find yourself in Lynchburg (currently or in the future) let us know so we can meet up for lunch or dinner. If you have a child here feel free to suggest they attend our occasional OC lunches or dinners.

 

[kenny]

The area around Lynchburg College has been called West Lynchburg or the West End of Lynchburg for years. To say that this middle class neighborhood is rough is just a little bit over the edge. It is a working class neighborhood and has been for over 50. Because college students fail to acknowledge the dangers of making themselves a target by being out at all hours of the day, we all know that attracts the criminal element. The same thing could have happened in JMelvin suburb with the nice manicured lawns and nice cars parked in the driveway. J I know you are a relative newcomer to the Hill City. If you want to see some rough neighborhoods I meet you one day and show you some. Like any neighborhood there are always crimes of opportunity and that does not make the area rough.

 

[Table]

Huh?

Because college students fail to acknowledge the dangers of making themselves a target by being out at all hours of the day, we all know that attracts the criminal element.

If the college students are breaking some law, then I agree with you. If not, the kids are NOT the ones breaking the law and can do whatever they want within the law.

Why is it the college kids fault?

LC needs to step up to the plate. They need to engage with LPD. They need to protect the students that are not permitted to protect themselves. Cite: http://www.lynchburg.edu/student-handbook-policies/firearms-and-other-weapons

 

[Grapeshot]

If the college students are breaking some law, then I agree with you. If not, the kids are NOT the ones breaking the law and can do whatever they want within the law.

Why is it the college kids fault?

LC needs to step up to the plate. They need to engage with LPD. They need to protect the students that are not permitted to protect themselves. Cite: http://www.lynchburg.edu/student-handbook-policies/firearms-and-other-weapons

How do they do that??

BTW - that is not a cite to how LC can protect students. It is a reference from their rules that disarms them.

I suggest that no one other than the individual can offer themselves any protection.

 

[Table]

How do they do what? And you are correct, that is the cite as to why the students are unarmed, as I intended it: "students that are not permitted to protect themselves.

 

[Grapeshot]

How do they do what? And you are correct, that is the cite as to why the students are unarmed, as I intended it: "students that are not permitted to protect themselves.

You stated "They need to protect the students..." My question (How do they do what?) asks directly/simply how is the school going to protect the students, which you indicate they should do.

A cite supports a contention, not offers a reason why they are in that condition.

In my view, only Liberty University has begun to fully understand this in Virginia.

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2013/04/9136/

 

[Table]

If the students are not permitted to protect themselves because of the reason cited in context per my interpretation of the forum rules because I said that they were not permitted to protect themselves, then of course the school needs to do more. I provided a list of how to better protect the students to those persons in a position to effect change at LC. I'm not going to list them for you to pick apart Grape, because barring open carry for each person on campus; I believe you won't be satisfied.

 

[Grapeshot]

If the students are not permitted to protect themselves because of the reason cited in context per my interpretation of the forum rules because I said that they were not permitted to protect themselves, then of course the school needs to do more. I provided a list of how to better protect the students to those persons in a position to effect change at LC. I'm not going to list them for you to pick apart Grape, because barring open carry for each person on campus; I believe you won't be satisfied.

Neither being rude nor presumptuous will make it here.

You stated, "They need to protect the students that are not permitted to protect themselves."

I asked, "How do they do that?" - They in both cases refers to LC.

You should know that there is no way that they can do that, yet you have said they "need" to do so.

GFSZ are quite simply Victim Rich Environments created by the school administration who would seem to prefer the illusion of safety rather than allow the basic human right to self-defense.

I was trying to lead you to that conclusion yourself w/o being overbearing. As to rule interpretation that is in my job description - see my Profile.

Though this be an OC site by design, I don't care how a person carries (OC, CC, or noC) in so long as they do not interfere with another person's choice/method of carry.

 

[Table]

Rude, nope. Presumptuous, maybe. There are no absolutes, either to what you advocate or with I am doing within the existing constraints of LC.

 

[jmelvin]

The area around Lynchburg College has been called West Lynchburg or the West End of Lynchburg for years. To say that this middle class neighborhood is rough is just a little bit over the edge. It is a working class neighborhood and has been for over 50. Because college students fail to acknowledge the dangers of making themselves a target by being out at all hours of the day, we all know that attracts the criminal element. The same thing could have happened in JMelvin suburb with the nice manicured lawns and nice cars parked in the driveway. J I know you are a relative newcomer to the Hill City. If you want to see some rough neighborhoods I meet you one day and show you some. Like any neighborhood there are always crimes of opportunity and that does not make the area rough.

Kenny the area immediately surrounding LC is much like where I live, I simply noted that there are rougher neighborhoods nearby (primarily further down Fort Avenue or Memorial Ave.) so the rougher crowd doesn't have far to go if they were inclined to vicitimize those in the "middle class" neighborhoods. You've also got The Plaza shopping center nearby, which is a draw for those who don't live in the immediate vicinity of LC. There have been several violent crimes (armed robberies) within eyeshot or quick walking distance from where I live, which is about as middle of the road as it gets for the area.

I'm not sure where I'd find the nicely manicured lawns, but if you'd like to send some folks who like to do that to my neighborhood, feel free.

 

[jmelvin]

Anti Self-Defense Business: CVFP Central Virginia Family Physicians No Guns/Weapons

Those of you in the Lynchburg area looking for medical treatment would do well to avoid CVFP (Central Virginia Family Physicians) locations. In recent months several of the CVFP locations have posted "No Gun / No Weapons" signs at their entrances. I'd previously found CVFP immediate care offices to be hospitable and reasonably useful for addressing minor medical issues, but I certainly cannot accord doing business with doctors who would willfully render those who are already suffering from physical ailments without tools for dealing with attack by predators.

It's a fairly sick practice in my humble opinion, to say to people "we'll treat your medical ailments, but first you need to give up your other tools for staying safe". Fortunately other options are to be found with the new Med Express locations and Physicians Treatment Center, and of course various other medical practices.

 

[kobie]

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1121717.pdf

As seen by the Virginia Tech opinion and previous thread discussing it, Lynchburg has no duty to protect their students. However the security and LPD could be more active on their patrols to help prevent crime. When security's call to service sometimes take more than 5 minutes, students begin to not think they are safe. Especially when something as serious as a fight or robbery occurs. This campus is not that large; you can walk from one end of the campus to the other in under 10 minutes. So its utterly ridiculous for a security officer in a golf cart or vehicle not to respond to call quicker than a student who can run from the athletic field to Vernon Street.

 

[kenny]

Kenny the area immediately surrounding LC is much like where I live, I simply noted that there are rougher neighborhoods nearby (primarily further down Fort Avenue or Memorial Ave.) so the rougher crowd doesn't have far to go if they were inclined to vicitimize those in the "middle class" neighborhoods. You've also got The Plaza shopping center nearby, which is a draw for those who don't live in the immediate vicinity of LC. There have been several violent crimes (armed robberies) within eyeshot or quick walking distance from where I live, which is about as middle of the road as it gets for the area.

I'm not sure where I'd find the nicely manicured lawns, but if you'd like to send some folks who like to do that to my neighborhood, feel free.

My momma always told me the only people out at 2:30 am are good guys and bad guys. Hopefully these kids had an enlightening life experience. The neighborhood ain't that bad. We have the same problem with VCU students in Richmond. Just because a crime occurs or perceived bad people hang out close by to a college does not make it a bad neighborhood.

I'll send my grass guy over to you. I must warn you he only paints one shade of green.

 

[jmelvin]

I'll send my grass guy over to you. I must warn you he only paints one shade of green.

Good, that's all I have money for.

 

[jmelvin]

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1121717.pdf

As seen by the Virginia Tech opinion and previous thread discussing it, Lynchburg has no duty to protect their students. However the security and LPD could be more active on their patrols to help prevent crime. When security's call to service sometimes take more than 5 minutes, students begin to not think they are safe. Especially when something as serious as a fight or robbery occurs. This campus is not that large; you can walk from one end of the campus to the other in under 10 minutes. So its utterly ridiculous for a security officer in a golf cart or vehicle not to respond to call quicker than a student who can run from the athletic field to Vernon Street.

I'll have to introduce you to one of the guys responsible for the convincing of LU folks to change their carry rules. Maybe he can provide some assistance on tactics and such.

Where are you by the way Jero?

 

[nuc65]

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1121717.pdf

As seen by the Virginia Tech opinion and previous thread discussing it, Lynchburg has no duty to protect their students. However the security and LPD could be more active on their patrols to help prevent crime. When security's call to service sometimes take more than 5 minutes, students begin to not think they are safe. Especially when something as serious as a fight or robbery occurs. This campus is not that large; you can walk from one end of the campus to the other in under 10 minutes. So its utterly ridiculous for a security officer in a golf cart or vehicle not to respond to call quicker than a student who can run from the athletic field to Vernon Street.

Cut em some slack man, sheesh. Ya know ya can't leave a perfectly good donut lying around the squad room or it will disappear fore ya get back.

 

[Grapeshot]

Cut em some slack man, sheesh. Ya know ya can't leave a perfectly good donut lying around the squad room or it will disappear fore ya get back.

They're cheaper by the dozen

Damn, now I've got to report myself