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rpyne

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marshaul wrote:
SGT Jensen wrote:
Those have gotto be the most ridiculus videos I've ever seen. :?

Utah has allowed openand concealed carry in schools for over five years now.

Anybody ever hear of a school shooting in Utah?
OC, huh? For some reason I had the impression everybody CCed on campus in Utah.

I'd sure love to OC in class. More comfortable. :)

Then again, I'd be happy to be able to carry in class at all. :banghead:
Utah law requires a CFP to carry on campus, but OC or CC is allowed with the permit.

76-3-203.2. Definitions -- Use of dangerous weapon in offenses committed on or about school premises -- Enhanced penalties.
(1) (a) As used in this section and Section 76-10-505.5, "on or about school premises" means any of the following:
(i) in a public or private elementary, secondary, or on the grounds of any of those schools;
(ii) in a public or private vocational school or postsecondary institution or on the grounds of any of those schools or institutions;
(iii) in those portions of any building, park, stadium, or other structure or grounds which are, at the time of the act, being used for an activity sponsored by or through a school or institution under Subsections (1)(a)(i) and (ii); (iv) in or on the grounds of a preschool or child-care facility; and (v) within 1,000 feet of any structure, facility, or grounds included in Subsections (1)(a)(i), (ii), (iii), and (iv).
(b) As used in this section:
(i) "Dangerous weapon" has the same definition as in Section 76-1-601.
(ii) "Educator" means any person who is employed by a public school district and who is required to hold a certificate issued by the State Board of Education in order to perform duties of employment.
(iii) "Within the course of employment" means that an educator is providing services or engaging in conduct required by the educator's employer to perform the duties of employment.


76-10-505.5. Possession of a dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises -- Penalties.
(1) A person may not possess any dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun, as those terms are defined in Section 76-10-501, at a place that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is on or about school premises as defined in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1).
(2) (a) Possession of a dangerous weapon on or about school premises is a class B misdemeanor.
(b) Possession of a firearm or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises is a class A misdemeanor.
(3) This section does not apply if:
(a) the person is authorized to possess a firearm as provided under Section 53-5-704, 53-5-705, 76-10-511, or 76-10-523, or as otherwise authorized by law;
(b) the possession is approved by the responsible school administrator;
(c) the item is present or to be used in connection with a lawful, approved activity and is in the possession or under the control of the person responsible for its possession or use; or
(d) the possession is:
(i) at the person's place of residence or on the person's property;
(ii) in any vehicle lawfully under the person's control, other than a vehicle owned by the school or used by the school to transport students; or
(iii) at the person's place of business which is not located in the areas described in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1)(a)(i), (ii), or (iv).
(4) This section does not prohibit prosecution of a more serious weapons offense that may occur on or about school premises.
53-5-704 - Shall Issue Concealed Firearm Permit law
53-5-705 - May Issue Temporary Concealed Firearm Permit law
 

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I attended college between 1983 and 1987. I tend to agree with one of the other posts here in that about 50% of the kids at that school (a VERY academically rigorous private liberal arts college with VERY high standards) probably weren't mature enough to be trusted with anything more dangerous than a butter knife. And it wasn't the Art students who were the problems--I was a double major in Graphic Design and Computer Science. It was the Business majors, the Chemistry majors, and the Accounting majors who caused most of the trouble in my dorm, and overall....

But anyway, There are two points about this whole Campus Carry issue that really have me peaved, and I just CAN'T understand why the activists aren't making a bigger deal out of these two issues.

ONE: there are a LOT of VERY mature adults who return to school for advanced degrees in their 30's 40's and 50's, and already have Concealed Carry permits, but because of campus weapons bans, are prohibited from carrying or even STORING their handguns in their cars while on campus. I have a NC CHP, and I am in the MFA program at a NC university. I don't even dare to bring my gun with me and leave it in the car when I'm on campus, because 1) I'm afraid someone might break into my car and steal my pistol, and 2) even if I park OFF CAMPUS and walk 4 blocks to class, if for some reason I should take a route when I go home that takes me ONTO campus, I am in violation of NC statues. There are NO exceptions to the weapons ban on NC campuses, even if you are transporting it legally and have a CHP...

I'm 44 years old. I have a valid CHP. I have never been arrested for ANYTHING. I've never had a DUI. I've never had a restraining order placed on me. I've never even been CHARGED with a crime. And yet, for some reason, the state of NC seems to think that, although I can carry my firearm just about anywhere else (including city parks, restaurants that don't serve alcohol, and retail establishments), for some strange reason, I am DENIED my right to self-defense while I'm on campus.

I go to school in Greenville NC. Those of you who know about NC know that although G-Vegas isn't exactly the same as Compton or the Bronx, it's got some pretty rough characters roaming the streets, and can be a pretty dicey town in certain places, esecially after the sun goes down. I wish I could carry. But I can't.

and TWO:
With the "new economy", and the government stressing that many Americans SHOULD go back to school and get "retrained" for the new jobs in the coming "green economy", we're going to be seeing a LOT more older folks coming back to school. In fact, there seems to be a move to ACTIVELY PUSH older people to return to school. With the corporate-backed and government-sanctioned dismantling our industrial base over the last 20 years, there are LOTS of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s who are going to need retrained. People who have families to support. People who are law-abiding, tax paying, upstanding members of society. People who are taking night classes and walking around campuses (and on the fringes of campuses) and would like to get to their car and safely back home to their loving families. And in MANY states, these hard-working, motivated, devoted family members are DENIED their right to carry, because their desire to further themselves (or simply to remain employable in a radically changing economy!) requires them to leave their firearms at home...

I'm one of these people. I'm not some fresh-faced 21 year old. I'm 40-freaking-4 years old. I've seen a LOT of stuff in my life. I've had a fair amount of training in the use of my firearm. I know the law pretty well (better than most cops in this state, it would appear). I have a keen grasp of Situational Awareness, and can perform well under stress (I've taken several "tactical" training courses from the likes of H&K in Chantilly VA).

I think it sucks that I can't carry when I go to school. Not because I think I need it when I'm in the printmaking labs, or in a lecture class, but for those times when I'm moving across campus after-hours. I'm a grad student who is taking mostly "independent study" type classes,and so my schedule is pretty much "whatever it takes" to get a given project done. But even though I have a CHP, and a truckload of training and experience, I can't carry (or even have a firearm in my vehicle) when I'm on campus. And there are dozens more like me on this one campus alone--probably several hundred (or even a few thousand) "older" students state-wide in the North Carolina University System who are trying to further themselves through advanced degrees, and are well-trained and knowledgeable in firearms use, but the law prevents us from defending ourselves while on campus...

I'll be working VERY closely with the local SCCC group next semester, lending my skills in design, printing, and marketing, to hopefully bring the level of awareness up a few notches. I'm hoping to raise the consciousness of the female population of NC colleges, and appeal to the "older students" to work toward getting this "school ban" lifted. I'll be posting pics of the posters, flyers, and cards we're planniing for next year as they come out. Hopefully, some other folks can use my work to further the cause in other states.

Law-abiding adults should not be forced into statutory helplessness.

Self defense is a CIVIL right...
 

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You don't make people, including kids, more responsible by taking responsibilities away.

College age students are perfectly old enough to be armed. If they are not responsible enough, it is because they have not developed enough responsibility. For better or worse, they won't develop it by being denied it into perpetuity, and they won't gain it automatically upon attaining some level of age-induced magical "maturity".
 

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marshaul wrote:
You don't make people, including kids, more responsible by taking responsibilities away.

College age students are perfectly old enough to be armed. If they are not responsible enough, it is because they have not developed enough responsibility. For better or worse, they won't develop it by being denied it into perpetuity, and they won't gain it automatically upon attaining some level of age-induced magical "maturity".
I agree 100%.
 

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I'm a grad student, working toward my Masters degree with the explicit intention of teaching on the collegiate level when I finish my courses. If I end up getting a position in a state that allows me to carry as a professor, I would, without a doubt.

I carry now, almost all the time (except when I'm at school), OC and CC, depending on where I am and how I'm dressed. If my state of residency dropped their campus carry ban, I would DEFINITELY CC on campus, because I dont get out of classes until after dark most days, and I have to park off-campus because I'm a commuter student. Walking those 4 or 5 blocks twice a week, unarmed, after dark, is the most stressful part of my week...
 

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TechnoWeenie wrote:

I'm sorry, am i reading this right? a guy walked past a woman within 'several feet'?

that is a public safety EMERGENCY.

didn't leer? didn't whistle? no dialogue?

WTF?
 

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i thought about that as well...sounds to me like the guy was just walking on his merry way and happened to walk past this lady who apparently, believes that every single male in the world who walks past her late at night is probably a rapist/murderer.
 

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wjxavier wrote:
i thought about that as well...sounds to me like the guy was just walking on his merry way and happened to walk past this lady who apparently, believes that every single male in the world who walks past her late at night is probably a rapist/murderer.
well, maybe she should buy a gun :lol:
 

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Is it just me, or did the first video show a classroom full of guns and absolutely nothing went horribly wrong?
 
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