List Your Open Carry Experiences Here

[WARCHILD]

Your, and others, opinion of what I write is important to me. While the way I express my reaction sometimes may be less filtered, I was honest about how I felt in reaction to what MichRRConductor wrote.

Without detracting from others wanting to ask "why" or inquire further, I just personally don't feel that need.

What MichRRConductor described was enough. I was responding to behavior, not motivation behind behavior. As an exercise, let's assume the best of motivations or reasons behind MichRRConductor's response. In looking back again, now, at what he wrote about what was said and done, I can honestly say I still feel there was a pussing out and an owning. In my mind, I don't see this as a situation where the antagonist came close to, but didn't cross, the line, so that there are "possible responses" that could allow you to continue in their presence. The antagonist totally, completely, and utterly DISRESPECTED him, as described by MichRRConductor himself. There AIN'T NO correct response to that particular person he described except to resist the urge to fly the finger right in her face, do an about face, and tell her good luck with her little play while you walk out the door permanently.

I may have been able to word it a little better, true, but I don't think by much. I still think this is a story of, in the face of COMPLETE DISRESPECT, pussing out, getting owned, going back and being the offender's b*tch, and needing to grow a pair before OC'ing again and being faced again with complete disrespect and doing the same thing. How to word that differently without losing all those elements, I don't know.

On topic, OC'd at 7-Eleven at the corner of Dexter and Walton in Auburn Hills last night. No issues.

Thank you; this supports why I respect and enjoy your post. You make a concise and detailed support for your belief without being derogatory regarding your post being questioned.

I guess I tend to be a little more "diplomatic" with my replies.
But if that is not your way, I can understand that and I will keep that in mind with your future posts before I let my keyboard get out of control.

 

[Venator]

There were no rights violated if it was a private venue and private property.

One individuals rights do NOT automatically trump the rights of another.

Depends. In recent history it was allowed to discriminate against blacks by private businesses, e.g. resturants, until the feds stepped in and made it against the law. Couldn't an argument be made for gun rights?

Either private businesses recognize all rights or we let them violate all of them, hard to have it both ways.

 

[DanM]

Depends. In recent history it was allowed to discriminate against blacks by private businesses, e.g. resturants, until the feds stepped in and made it against the law. Couldn't an argument be made for gun rights?

I do see it that way. My gun is worn for defense against BG's as my skin is worn for defense of my innards against the outward environment. The only difference is my skin is much less convenient to remove, but that doesn't make it any less evil to discriminate against me due to the type of tool for self-defense I wear as the type of skin for environmental defense I wear.

The "private property" justification for stripping others of self-defense is merely a legal justification, but it is thoroughly devoid of being able to be ethically or rationally justified. Just as many racist laws of the past merely existed legally, but had absolutely no ethical or rational foundation under them.

The right to bear arms for self-defense is a fundamental right that in no way can be ethically or rationally justified to be discriminated against, just as discrimination against the type of skin a person bears is wrong.

On topic, OC'd just a little while ago at the grocery store at the corner of Walton and Perry in Pontiac.

 

[manicdevery]

LOL, Chuck Norris open carries... and BTW, my mom lets me OC wherever i want!!!!!!!

MichiganRR - I used to get very shakey/nervous when i was told I was scaring people. Oh yes, the running and screaming children the chaos my law abiding self was causing. now that i am over worrying that i might be offending someone it is getting a lot easier to respond to people who are reacting to what the TV told them.

Back on topic. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I OCed. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Devery

 

[TheGrabber]

OC'ed around Bay City Walmart and Home Depot. A few looks, but that's all

 

[DanM]

She leaves. For a few minutes and then returns holding pieces of paper that she says that came from their policies (no clue where they had them and still don't) and number 7 reads
"Under no circumstances should any theater cast, crew, or patron be in procession of any dangerous weapons, unless they are being used during a performance"

Me: "A holstered handgun in possession of a legal gun owner is not a dangerous weapon. That doesn't apply to me."

And, if she persisted, like I've said before, I would have resisted the urge to give her the finger right in front of her face, do an about face, and tell her good luck with her little play as I left permanently.

Nothing you added appears to change the fact that this lady completely, utterly, and totally DISRESPECTED you.

Therefore, all of what I said before still applies.

 

[Bikenut]

When I was a baby I first learned to crawl... then even though I fell on my arse, as I gained experience and confidence, I learned to walk... then, as I gained more experience and confidence, I learned to run but occasionally still fell on my arse... until I had gained enough experience and enough confidence to be able to stand my ground.

MichRRConductor... keep on keepin' on and don't let occasionally falling on your arse stop you from reaching the point where you are experienced, knowlegable, and confident enough to stand your ground.

Edited to add the on topic:

OC'd at McDonalds in Chesaning for breakfast this morning.... many looks... good hot chocolate... and no problems as usual.

 

[Shadow Bear]

I do see it that way. My gun is worn for defense against BG's as my skin is worn for defense of my innards against the outward environment. The only difference is my skin is much less convenient to remove, but that doesn't make it any less evil to discriminate against me due to the type of tool for self-defense I wear as the type of skin for environmental defense I wear.

The "private property" justification for stripping others of self-defense is a merely a legal justification, but it is thoroughly devoid of being able to be ethically or rationally justified. Just as many racist laws of the past merely existed legally, but had absolutely no ethical or rational foundation under them.

The right to bear arms for self-defense is a fundamental right that in no way can be ethically or rationally justified to be discriminated against, just as discrimination against the type of skin a person bears is wrong.

On topic, OC'd just a little while ago at the grocery store at the corner of Walton and Perry in Pontiac.

Amen! What he said!

 

[Shadow Bear]

I do see it that way. My gun is worn for defense against BG's as my skin is worn for defense of my innards against the outward environment. The only difference is my skin is much less convenient to remove, but that doesn't make it any less evil to discriminate against me due to the type of tool for self-defense I wear as the type of skin for environmental defense I wear.

The "private property" justification for stripping others of self-defense is a merely a legal justification, but it is thoroughly devoid of being able to be ethically or rationally justified. Just as many racist laws of the past merely existed legally, but had absolutely no ethical or rational foundation under them.

The right to bear arms for self-defense is a fundamental right that in no way can be ethically or rationally justified to be discriminated against, just as discrimination against the type of skin a person bears is wrong.

On topic, OC'd just a little while ago at the grocery store at the corner of Walton and Perry in Pontiac.

Me: "A holstered handgun in possession of a legal gun owner is not a dangerous weapon. That doesn't apply to me."

And, if she persisted, like I've said before, I would have resisted the urge to give her the finger right in front of her face, do an about face, and tell her good luck with her little play as I left permanently.

Nothing you added appears to change the fact that this lady completely, utterly, and totally DISRESPECTED you.

Therefore, all of what I said before still applies.

Whew! Which theater was this? I certainly wouldn't want to appear in any theater that allows the cast to have a dangerous weapon as part of the production. Ever.

 

[Wglide90]

Hi folks,

Yesterday went looking for some Au American Eagle coins, I OCd in Haywards party store in Belleville while checkn out the 1/10 ozs he had, but were a little too high priced, so I passed. So I picked up my buddy and went out to Ann Arbor coin shop OCg there. He had some 1/10 ozs at real nice price, but also had some 1/2 ozs. I checked them out and they were all perfect 70 grade at regular price so I jumped on one. Its a first year date perfect coin. Should be worth $200 more then I paid as I walked out the door. Yehaaa!!

No negative or any reaction at all while OCg looking at, handling and buying Au coins. Kool!

Also OCd at Belleville Red Apple and Meijers today.

 

[xmanhockey7]

OC'd in Portage's Best Buy (carried there a few times). No issues nobody seemed to notice but they did card me to make sure I was old enough to buy the video game I went to get.

 

[DanM]

When I was a baby I first learned to crawl... then even though I fell on my arse, as I gained experience and confidence, I learned to walk... then, as I gained more experience and confidence, I learned to run but occasionally still fell on my arse... until I had gained enough experience and enough confidence to be able to stand my ground.

MichRRConductor... keep on keepin' on and don't let occasionally falling on your arse stop you from reaching the point where you are experienced, knowlegable, and confident enough to stand your ground.

But, this issue isn't that he was confronted by a citizen or police officer ignorant about the law, and he's a beginner and didn't have enough experience or knowledge OC'ing to deal with educating the person or standing his ground on the law.

The issue is he was confronted with complete and total DISRESPECT from another adult ORDERING him around like a damn schoolboy, and that doesn't require *any* OC experience or knowledge to deal with. You just simply tell the person to have a nice day and you ignore or leave them. Again, this is about basic respectful treatment, and standing up for that or leaving requires no OC experience or knowledge.

My suggestion that he not OC until he "grows a pair" in that regard is not based on what I perceive to be a lack of OC experience or knowledge. It's a lack of standing up against pure disrespect, and that does not serve the OC movement well because it may cause the person disrespecting you to think they were right about something about the law all along, or observers to think that as well. That is the main point I'm making as to why he shouldn't OC until he grows a pair. I don't want people like the one who disrespected him, or anyone who observed that or heard from her about it, to take away a feeling that "she was right, and the OC'er was wrong". That does not help perpetuate two chief goals we have: normalize carry and educate people that OC is legal.

Now, if he had responded with, "Well, I know OC is legal, I didn't know anything about those rules, so either I'm leaving or you'll have to make an exception" then both she and any observers would have properly taken away that OC is legal and also that OC'ers know what they are doing is fine and they won't be treated as children. That response requires no significant knowledge of OC law or experience.

 

[MarineSgt]

Well, I had my first negative experience. I have been volunteering my time doing lights and sound for a stage play up-north. I had been open carrying for 2 dress rehearsals and 4 out of 6 performances with not a word. The play takes place in what used to be a movie theater. It’s seating capacity is below the 2500 capacity, but I OC’ed just be sure. (I have a CPL) But just before this evening’s performance, I went down from the balcony where the light and sound control panels are to the office and see how many people we were going to have tonight. I then went back upstairs and 2 minutes later, the stairway light came on and the secretary of the Board of Directors came up and the following took place:

Her: “Someone just said” (and she lifted my right arm to look at my gun) “What is that?”
Me: “(Pause) A gun”
Her: “Okay (holding up one finger on each hand)…Not here. Not ever. If its real. Take it out to your car RIGHT NOW.”
Me: “Okay” (I start to walk to the downstairs to the exit)
Her: “Wait. Cover it up with you shirt. You’ve caused a panic downstairs”

As I walk downstairs, I tell her that no one has said anything about it before. She doesn’t reply.
As I head outside, no one is staring at me, crying, or anything. I didn’t see any panic. I put it in my car and return upstairs.

As this is my first bad experience, I kept expecting the cops or someone else to come upstairs, but no one came up. I’m still a little shaken, but that will pass in time. Digital recorder was in my car, so no audio.

BTW, the secretary used be my high school technology director and I was once her student aide!! I doubt I'll help with any plays anymore

You should have left the building and not returned. But hey, that's just me.

OCd at a TV repair place in Coopersville. No probs.

 

[lil_freak_66]

OC'd in Portage's Best Buy (carried there a few times). No issues nobody seemed to notice but they did card me to make sure I was old enough to buy the video game I went to get.

you visibly have a firearm on you but ID you to make sure your of proper age to buy a video game?(which is 17 for M and 18 for AO)

if i saw somebody OC i wouldnt card them for a game,anybody that knows anything knows you gotta be at least 18 to carry a gun(and most people seem to think its 21)

OT,borrowed my cousins bp revolver for awhile and its went everywhere with me that it legally can,autozone in Lansing on Cedar,Autozone in Holt,Best buy in Lansing,Starbucks in East Lansing,Gamestop in Lansing,Innate Chiropractic in Lansing,Dominos pizza in Holt(as well as the walk to and from there)Classic arms in Lansing,Not Just Guns in Mason,A&W in Mason and to the MSP headquarters in Lansing while i was having my 10/22 removed from the handgun registration,as it no longer meets the definition of a Handgun.

 

[Scooter]

OC'd yesterday at Ypsilanti Library (Whittaker Rd location) GameStop twice and Kroger, no issues anywhere. Some people noticed, didn't care. The sun was out, it was a beautiful day!

 

[WilDChilD]

OT,borrowed my cousins bp revolver for awhile and its went everywhere with me that it legally can,autozone in Lansing on Cedar,Autozone in Holt,Best buy in Lansing,Starbucks in East Lansing,Gamestop in Lansing,Innate Chiropractic in Lansing,Dominos pizza in Holt(as well as the walk to and from there)Classic arms in Lansing,Not Just Guns in Mason,A&W in Mason and to the MSP headquarters in Lansing while i was having my 10/22 removed from the handgun registration,as it no longer meets the definition of a Handgun.

I thought a cpl was required to carry others pistols?

 

[TheQ]

I thought a cpl was required to carry others pistols?

Bp...black powder (antique), as opposed to the oil company I own shares in.

 

[SlowDog]

Picture this.....He fires it and then has to wait 30-45 seconds for the cloud to clear before you can take a follow up shot....LMAO

Not flaming on you LIL I just pictured that in my head and busted out laughing....sorry

 

[WilDChilD]

Bp...black powder (antique), as opposed to the oil company I own shares in.

Thanks Q i thought bp was a name brand. Last thing I would think is somebody would carry an antique black powder revolver for self defence.

 

[TheQ]

Thanks Q i thought bp was a name brand. Last thing I would think is somebody would carry an antique black powder revolver for self defence.

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