Just to reinforce what we know...JUST SAY NO.

[Freedom1Man]

If 12,000 citizens were violated by agents of a foreign country, we'd be at war with them.

Less than 3000 reported would get us into wars with many countries. It's happened

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Less than 3000 reported would get us into wars with many countries. It's happened

Right. Less than 3,000 people killed by jihadists, and we declared a war on terrorism.

Then, the National Safety Council comes out with a study that shows we are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.

How can being eight times more likely to be killed by anything than by a terrorist be minimized? You know minimizing is a manipulation child molesters use to minimize the heinous damage they inflict. And they usually get around to assigning responsibility to the victim.

 

[Primus]

Less than 3000 reported would get us into wars with many countries. It's happened

Right. Less than 3,000 people killed by jihadists, and we declared a war on terrorism.

Then, the National Safety Council comes out with a study that shows we are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.

How can being eight times more likely to be killed by anything than by a terrorist be minimized? You know minimizing is a manipulation child molesters use to minimize the heinous damage they inflict. And they usually get around to assigning responsibility to the victim.

lol...

Guys... these are complaints. EDIT: Some are murders... rapes... beatings.... or any form of violent crimes, it's listed in the study. The largest complaint is excessive force. the others rape, murder, robbery etc., are very rare.

Somehow these complaints are getting compared to jidhist murders? Really? You have to stoop that FAR to make it work?

I know reality sucks... especially when it doesn't conform to preconceived notions... but the truth is its' not remotely as bad as you think. AGAIN..... there shouldnt' be any abuses at ALL. But to say "most police encounters are bad" is an outright lie.

From January 2010 through December 2010 the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project recorded 4,861 unique reports of police misconduct that involved 6,613 sworn law enforcement officers and 6,826 alleged victims.
4,861 – Unique reports of police misconduct tracked
6,613 - Number of sworn law enforcement officers involved (354 were agency leaders such as chiefs or sheriffs)
6,826 - Number of alleged victims involved
247 – Number of fatalities associated with tracked reports
$346,512,800 – Estimated amount spent on misconduct-related civil judgments and settlements excluding sealed settlements, court costs, and attorney fees.

http://www.policemisconduct.net/statistics/2010-annual-report/

from.... POLICE MISCONDUCT.NET

The 2012 Bureau of Justice Statistics' Census of State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies (CSLLEA), found there were 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies employing at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers.[1]
In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

Even better... that shows numbers at about 800,000 sworn officers.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl74.xls

705,009 sworn officers......291,414,594 total population..... so... equals...... .2419 percent of the population is full time law enforcement.... Damn... that's alot. I guess we really are a police state...

So out of 800,000 officers (thats full time and part time) 6,613 were involved in some complaint. Thats .826 Percent of the total law enforcement employees. Read that again.... POLICEMISCONDUCT.net found that .826 percent of the law enforcement field was involved in some kind of incident.

For those that say "there's millions of complaints that get thrown away and never reported"..... well do you think POLICEMISCONDUCT couldn't figure that out and note it somewhere?

" This report is the result of data captured from January 2010 through December 2010 by the NPMSRP consisting of reports that meet credibility criteria which have been gathered from multiple media sources throughout the United States. "

From that same report... trust me they are all over the fact that police don't report everything so they dug for the numbers themselves.

So as far as a previous poster making the statement " majority of police encounters are good" I'd say these numbers back up that statement. No matter how you twist and sqiurm and argue and accuse... you can't turn 8 TENTHS of 1 PERCENT into a majority of anything.

Edit: anyone see the number of fatalities they found?.... 247 that there were complaints of misconduct filed. You can throw the "8 times more likely to get killed by police then terrrorists" all you want. That means NOTHING. That just means you are really really really safe from terrorists. Not that police are really really really dangerous.

 

[Primus]

Please cite. This is a claim that you've made over and over and over again in this and other threads.

Please cite the study, research, proof. Then how do you define your statement?

So would you say that most encounters are more like video 1.
http://youtu.be/K2M891x0oEo

Or video 2
http://youtu.be/CVHrpScqHsg
[video=youtube_share;CVHrpScqHsg]http://youtu.be/CVHrpScqHsg[/video]

lol and to respond to video number two.....

WALMART CALLED THE COPS. The private business owner called the police. The officer around the 5 min mark asks the other officer "did you speak with them inside" talking about the wal mart staff. He also explained that private business owners can tell you to leave. Thats what they did. They called the police to tell them to leave. So why is the problem not with Wal Mart? The officer wasn't impolite, didn't yell or scream never swore, nothing. He requested ID from all the people who said they were with them. They WALKED UP to the encounter and said "we are with them" so yes they got IDd.

Did anyone from that group contact Wal Mart and ask why they called the police on them? No. Instead it's "how dare the police dare detain me when a private business calls to get us removed"

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

lol...


So out of 800,000 officers (thats full time and part time) 6,613 were involved in some complaint. Thats .826 Percent of the total law enforcement employees. Read that again.... POLICEMISCONDUCT.net found that .826 percent of the law enforcement field was involved in some kind of incident.

As posted previously, the numbers are skewed due to police corruption. The Department of Justice does not come in and take over unless there is something amiss. Then we aren't obligated to ignore things like this:

http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/2009/06/04/most-nj-police-departments-violate-law-on-police-complaints

99 Percent Of Police Brutality Complaints Go Uninvestigated In Central New Jersey: Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/police-brutality-new-jersey-report_n_4555166.html

From 2008 to 2012, citizens filed hundreds of complaints alleging brutality, bias and civil rights violations by officers in more than seven dozen police departments in Central Jersey…

Just 1 percent of all excessive force complaints were sustained by internal affairs units in Central Jersey, the review found. That’s less than the national average of 8 percent, according to a federal Bureau of Justice Statistics report released in 2007.

National average of 8 percent of all excessive force complaints....substantiated, according to Bureau of Justice report.......

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ases-against-new-jersey-police-officers.shtml

Your numbers appear to be little more than mental masterbation, primus.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

Edit: anyone see the number of fatalities they found?.... 247 that there were complaints of misconduct filed. You can throw the "8 times more likely to get killed by police then terrrorists" all you want. That means NOTHING. That just means you are really really really safe from terrorists. Not that police are really really really dangerous.

If I'm all that safe from terrorists (and I do believe I am) then why is are so many agencies purchasing surplus MRAPS, forming the multitudes of SWAT teams, spending billions of dollars, collectively?
There haven't been any IED's emplaced in any road that I'm aware of, no high caliber anti-material being employed, so... what are they defending against?

If I spent ****loads of money against a threat I couldn't credibly quantify they'd call me paranoid. If those agencies aren't paranoid then who are they planning to use all those nice toys on?

 

[Primus]

As posted previously, the numbers are skewed due to police corruption. The Department of Justice does not come in and take over unless there is something amiss. Then we aren't obligated to ignore things like this:

http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/2009/06/04/most-nj-police-departments-violate-law-on-police-complaints

99 Percent Of Police Brutality Complaints Go Uninvestigated In Central New Jersey: Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/police-brutality-new-jersey-report_n_4555166.html

From 2008 to 2012, citizens filed hundreds of complaints alleging brutality, bias and civil rights violations by officers in more than seven dozen police departments in Central Jersey…

Just 1 percent of all excessive force complaints were sustained by internal affairs units in Central Jersey, the review found. That’s less than the national average of 8 percent, according to a federal Bureau of Justice Statistics report released in 2007.

National average of 8 percent of all excessive force complaints....substantiated, according to Bureau of Justice report.......

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ases-against-new-jersey-police-officers.shtml

Your numbers appear to be little more than mental masterbation, primus.

Lol... take it up with POLICEMISCONDUCT.net.

In fact you guys showed me this study to "prove" how bad the police are. Biting you in the a** now.

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[Primus]

I mean obviously the study by the Cato institute DESIGNED TO ROOT OUT COTRUPTION must be wrong.... clearly they are skewing their numbers in favor of the police right? Lol rriiigggghhht

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[Fuller Malarkey]

Lol... take it up with POLICEMISCONDUCT.net.

In fact you guys showed me this study to "prove" how bad the police are. Biting you in the a** now.

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Not at all. The CATO Institute frequently refers to the numbers as "The Tip of The Iceberg".

They are graphs and statistics with numbers at hand. When you look at the amount of police corruption nationwide, and the fact nothing compels police department to turn in real numbers to the FBI in it's research, or cooperate at all, the scales tip in favor of cover ups, corruption, and as the CATO Institute says, "the tip of the iceberg".

 

[FreeInAZ]

Our "justice" system has been completely perverted to the point of no return! When the Federal agency tasked with investigating "color of law abuses" by police the (FBI), just decided it would rather make national defense its objective, instead of investigate what it should be...that's a pretty good indicator of how far our justice system has slid down the toilet. When police are left to investigate their own...at best we can expect "token efforts" on their part. Kind of like when the MOB gets caught up in the Frey..they might offer up a sacrificial middle man, but never willingly a king pin.

We spend Billions yearly on defense - yet as a U.S. citizen you are up to 8 times more likely to be killed by POLICE, then you are by a terrorist! Something is very wrong indeed in our country...

http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist

 

[Primus]

Not at all. The CATO Institute frequently refers to the numbers as "The Tip of The Iceberg".

They are graphs and statistics with numbers at hand. When you look at the amount of police corruption nationwide, and the fact nothing compels police department to turn in real numbers to the FBI in it's research, or cooperate at all, the scales tip in favor of cover ups, corruption, and as the CATO Institute says, "the tip of the iceberg".

Ok... but you still have no numbers to back up your claim. I've provided many. You can say "there are more I swear but we can't see them" all you want.

Your just making baseless claims. "Tip of the iceberg" really that's your cite?

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[FreeInAZ]

Not at all. The CATO Institute frequently refers to the numbers as "The Tip of The Iceberg".

They are graphs and statistics with numbers at hand. When you look at the amount of police corruption nationwide, and the fact nothing compels police department to turn in real numbers to the FBI in it's research, or cooperate at all, the scales tip in favor of cover ups, corruption, and as the CATO Institute says, "the tip of the iceberg".

^^^ THIS!

If primus really is a cop ...let's hope he/she/it is one of the good ones. One who enforces the law, not opinion or policies. One who reports criminals in their ranks and one that really is willing to put it all on the line to honor the oath they took.

This type of officer is becoming near extinct IMHO.

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Oh look. Places other than the state of New Jersey has trouble compiling numbers and reporting police misconduct.

Dallas police assistant chief admits mishandling officer misconduct complaints

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...mishandling-officer-misconduct-complaints.ece

Spokane Wa. police cleared of every accusation of misconduct since 2007.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/sep/23/officers-cleared-in-every-case-of-excessive-force/

The same investigators found Klubber Karl Thompson "acted within his training" for beating Otto Zehm to death. Even scheduled a pot luck dinner to celebrate this ruling. He's sitting in a Federal pen because he was convicted of civil rights violations. The Feds uncovered wide spread and rampant cover ups and corruption within that department.

 

[Primus]

Oh look. Places other than the state of New Jersey has trouble compiling numbers and reporting police misconduct.

Dallas police assistant chief admits mishandling officer misconduct complaints

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...mishandling-officer-misconduct-complaints.ece

Spokane Wa. police cleared of every accusation of misconduct since 2007.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/sep/23/officers-cleared-in-every-case-of-excessive-force/

The same investigators found Klubber Karl Thompson "acted within his training" for beating Otto Zehm to death. Even scheduled a pot luck dinner to celebrate this ruling. He's sitting in a Federal pen because he was convicted of civil rights violations. The Feds uncovered wide spread and rampant cover ups and corruption within that department.

Lol.... fuller. Keep digging brother. You'll find a million cases of cops "mishandling" complaints.

The Cato institute DIDINT USE JUST COPS for info. Probably for that exact reason.

Lol keep fetching boy wrong bone

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[FreeInAZ]

If we read the paper from the CATO institute, the numbers were sourced to the National Safety Council.

I have yet to run into a dangerous terrorist, unfortunately I cannot say the same for police.
At least under current law I'd be able to legally defend my life against the terrorist!

So I'd say the point made is a valid one.

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

If we read the paper from the CATO institute, the numbers were sourced to the National Safety Council.

I have yet to run into a dangerous terrorist, unfortunately I cannot say the same for police.
At least under current law I'd be able to legally defend my life against the terrorist!

So I'd say the point made is a valid one.

I agree, the CATO Institute's studies and work help to define for us what are most pressing dangers are. Discussing it here won't change anyone's mind that supports thug cop behavior. It might help bring awareness to others that didn't make the full transition from the childhood beliefs of Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and "the police are your friend".

 

[Freedom1Man]

Lol.... fuller. Keep digging brother. You'll find a million cases of cops "mishandling" complaints.

The Cato institute DIDINT USE JUST COPS for info. Probably for that exact reason.

Lol keep fetching boy wrong bone

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There are less than 1million police officers.

So, if there are millions of cases of (your word) cops (thieves) handling complaints then you're proving our point for us by your own admission.

Remember a cop is a thief and that is how police officers came to be called cops. (cop a feel, cop out, to cop a doughnut)

cop


Pronunciation: (kop), [key]
—v.t., copped, cop•ping. Informal.
1. to catch; nab.
2. to steal; filch.
3. to buy (narcotics).
4. cop a plea,
a. to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence.
b. to plead guilty to a lesser charge as a means of bargaining one's way out of standing trial for a more serious charge; plea-bargain.
5. cop out,
a. to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out (often fol. by on or of): He never copped out on a friend in need. You agreed to go, and you can't cop out now.
b. cop a plea.

Read more: cop: meaning and definitions | Infoplease.com http://dictionary.infoplease.com/cop#

 

[Maverick9]

Ok.. so multiply it by... 2? 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10?
At 2 its 12,000 our of 700,000..... and again some are guaranteed on the same officer. At 10 times , which I doubt is true, it 60,000 out of 700,000. That's what? Less then 10%? So less then 10% (based on INFLATED num/bbers to account for your supposed complaints) of officers have ever had a complaint filed. So it'd be safe to say if an officer never had a complaint filed (because again that number takes in the missing and or non complaints due to fear) they wouldn't be violating peoples rights or having "bad encounters".

So 10% of encounters are bad. Damn..... the whole barrel is rotten.... sarcasm.

Foot. Shot. Self. In. LOL.

So If some are guaranteed to be the same officer, why is that? Instead of giving the top ten reason, maybe you'll stipulate there's a big problem and that's it. Other professions DO have the same issue - the Catholic Church among them. Saintly people raping kids.

Well saintly good cops do bad things now and then. Saintly cops stand by and see other cops do bad things. Saintly cop administrators purposely hire known bad cops because they just realized their "Enforcer" retired and they need another.

Also in the 700,000 officers, when they do have good interactions, it makes the news.

Also when a bunch of officers chase a fleeing traffic law breaker, at the end they ALL join in and kick the crap out of him, even though they ALL know it's on video. It's rampant, it's blatant and now we know there really might not be any 'good cops', cops who don't do bad deeds, and don't stand by while others do them - ever. It's sobering and frightening.

And when the result comes down, things like the Dornier incident, the legal system says it's OK to shoot a different colored truck full of holes in pursuit of a very scary person. The justification of an obviously unjustifiable incident - that's what makes all you guys look bad.

In fact more and more people who would NEVER have suggested it are calling for the demilitarization of cops, of making cops no longer equipped with firearms, of having a separate squad of 'traffic wardens' who ONLY give reasonable tickets for traffic offenses on the roads, and not the current 'let's catch 'em all, cuff em all, arrest 'em all, search 'em all, because every driver has contraband or unpaid tickets, or outstanding warrants.

Yes, some people are saying let's change their slogan from "to protect and serve" to 'the only good citizen is a dead citizen'. <---in fact I bet you've heard 'bad things' JUST LIKE THAT being said around the station house if you're really a cop.

IMO, all cops should SEEK other, gainful means of employment, other than living out their fantasy life of taking steroids and busting chumps.

HTH

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Cops commit more crimes per ratio than "civilians"

Yet some will justify stealing a large portion of money for their "services" in a hypocritical theory to rule over a citizenry that only a very small minority commit crimes, so why do the agencies even exist?

Control.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

When a store owner has to install cameras to protect his customers from police harassment, is that just a bad apple?

When 32 cops invade a persons home to destroy evidence of their illegal activities was that just the apples?