AWDstylez
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wrightme wrote:
wrightme wrote:
GTFO
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Idontownone revealed as a fraud.
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wrightme
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AWDstylez wrote:
No, really. It might help. Think about it. That way, when you post your typical "you are a j@ckA$$, or GTFO, or you M&$%*er, we have some relevant content to refer to.
Beyond that, Kenosis does provide you with some very good sane life advice. To ignore it would be to prevent your growth as a productive member of society, and of this forum.
AWDstylez wrote:
No, really. It might help. Think about it. That way, when you post your typical "you are a j@ckA$$, or GTFO, or you M&$%*er, we have some relevant content to refer to.
Beyond that, Kenosis does provide you with some very good sane life advice. To ignore it would be to prevent your growth as a productive member of society, and of this forum.
IndianaBoy79
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Again, I don't doubt the usefulness of his methods. I simply object to the morality of such a method. He won't get far in life with that kind of deceit, and a college paper doesn't justify it. You may argue that he isn't deceitful in the other areas of his life. I believe that someone willing to throw the basic rules of interaction in a polite society out the window for something that trivial, clearly has issues beyond this one project. There were other methods he could have used and his paper would have been just a good. There are already plenty of REAL flamers (meaning ppl who are just that way without deceit) on this site and he could have used those had he done some research.
Again, I don't doubt the usefulness of his methods. I simply object to the morality of such a method. He won't get far in life with that kind of deceit, and a college paper doesn't justify it. You may argue that he isn't deceitful in the other areas of his life. I believe that someone willing to throw the basic rules of interaction in a polite society out the window for something that trivial, clearly has issues beyond this one project. There were other methods he could have used and his paper would have been just a good. There are already plenty of REAL flamers (meaning ppl who are just that way without deceit) on this site and he could have used those had he done some research.
buster81
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Nice way to write a thesis.Start with a pre-conceived conclusion and tailoryour "research" to provide the data you need to make your little paper appear accurate.
Nice way to write a thesis.Start with a pre-conceived conclusion and tailoryour "research" to provide the data you need to make your little paper appear accurate.
JT
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AWDstylez wrote:
You stated earlier regarding his "research method"
The problem is there was no real"research" other than to test the forbearance of the forum to a repeatedirritant. (Something he could have accomplished merely by observing the reaction to your repeated rudeness to those you disagree with.) His "research" was akin to poking a dog repeatedly with a stick and then patting himself on the back because he discovered he could make the dog growl.His discovery is no discovery at all because it is established human nature. It is the way he himself will react with sufficient provocation. He did nothing to accomplish his stated goal in his initial post or his PM posted at the start of this thread. You are right that he got what he wanted. He just lied about what he said he wanted.
My point is simple. The animosity you receive here is of your own making and it is apparently what you want. That is a pity because an honest,civil discourse with people of opposing ideas like yourself could add alot to this forum. You deny your incivility toward those withdiffering opinions and thenreference me to your PMs to othersas proof of your civility. That is something that should be evident in your posts for all to see. I have come to the conclusion that we see exactly what you want us to see. I honestly wish it were otherwise.
Finally, I grant that there are others with views I might share thatcan beevery bit as rude as yourself but they, like yourself, are the minority and I'm not talking about your response to them. You told me to "GET OVER IT" in regard to my mentioning our first encounter. What wouldI have to "GET OVER" if you had treated me with the respect you claim that you use towards those who show you respect? Just food for thought in the hopes that it might contribute to a better forum for all of us.
I'm done. You get the last word.
AWDstylez wrote:
You miss the point entirely. I hold no ill will and my postwasn't a redress of grievances or a solicitation for anapology. I merelyused our first encounter as an example of the falsehood of your statement concerning respect. I have seenthe same behaviorrepeated numerous times since. You routinely belittle anyone that doesn't agree with youregardless of the manner in which they disagree. It is apparently by design which means your presence herehas nothing to do with an honest exchange of ideas. You and Idontownoneappear to beexactly alike in that regard.
You stated earlier regarding his "research method"
The problem is there was no real"research" other than to test the forbearance of the forum to a repeatedirritant. (Something he could have accomplished merely by observing the reaction to your repeated rudeness to those you disagree with.) His "research" was akin to poking a dog repeatedly with a stick and then patting himself on the back because he discovered he could make the dog growl.His discovery is no discovery at all because it is established human nature. It is the way he himself will react with sufficient provocation. He did nothing to accomplish his stated goal in his initial post or his PM posted at the start of this thread. You are right that he got what he wanted. He just lied about what he said he wanted.
My point is simple. The animosity you receive here is of your own making and it is apparently what you want. That is a pity because an honest,civil discourse with people of opposing ideas like yourself could add alot to this forum. You deny your incivility toward those withdiffering opinions and thenreference me to your PMs to othersas proof of your civility. That is something that should be evident in your posts for all to see. I have come to the conclusion that we see exactly what you want us to see. I honestly wish it were otherwise.
Finally, I grant that there are others with views I might share thatcan beevery bit as rude as yourself but they, like yourself, are the minority and I'm not talking about your response to them. You told me to "GET OVER IT" in regard to my mentioning our first encounter. What wouldI have to "GET OVER" if you had treated me with the respect you claim that you use towards those who show you respect? Just food for thought in the hopes that it might contribute to a better forum for all of us.
I'm done. You get the last word.
AWDstylez
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JT wrote:
Oh gee, thanks.
My posting history (ALL of it, not selected portions) speaks for itself. As I said, this board got stupid around election time and has only gotten more stupid since. When it returns to where it was, so will I. Until then, pass the koolaid and let's all go down thedrain together.
JT wrote:
Oh gee, thanks.
My posting history (ALL of it, not selected portions) speaks for itself. As I said, this board got stupid around election time and has only gotten more stupid since. When it returns to where it was, so will I. Until then, pass the koolaid and let's all go down thedrain together.
wrightme
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AWDstylez wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
Yes. Yes, it sure does. It also tells a story different than the one you would claim as your story.
AWDstylez wrote:
So, to paraphrase (quite accurately I might add...), you feel comfortable gravitating to the least common denominator. In addition, you frequently choose to become that LCD. Maybe you can start your own forum..... "LCDO" :celebrate
DMWyatt
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If this is in fact his research for a master's thesis; he's gone about it in a very short-sighted manner. He has no specific knowledge about the age, gender, location, ethnicity, or political outlook of his subjects. He has asked no clearly defined questions without speaking over those giving answers, his antagonistic attitude colored the results of the study, and he didn't conduct the research in a place where he could control any part of the enviroment. Any results he has obtained will have a large margin of error, and as much creedence as an internet poll at MSNBC.
If this is in fact his research for a master's thesis; he's gone about it in a very short-sighted manner. He has no specific knowledge about the age, gender, location, ethnicity, or political outlook of his subjects. He has asked no clearly defined questions without speaking over those giving answers, his antagonistic attitude colored the results of the study, and he didn't conduct the research in a place where he could control any part of the enviroment. Any results he has obtained will have a large margin of error, and as much creedence as an internet poll at MSNBC.
XD40coyote
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AWDstylez wrote:
I wasn't always a "gun person" and when I first started going to gun forums I just read the posts and got a feel for the place and didn't make any stupid inflamitory posts. Then I realized most "gun people" were like me- rational, educated, eccentric, suspicious ( and I mean this in a good way- cattle dogs are described as "suspicious", but that doesn't mean the breed is bad, rather they are on the alert and scutinizing , ie sheepdog).
If one is working on a doctorate or degree and studying " gun people", it takes more than a few days. It takes months and should include actual encounters, so if you are studying OCers, the logical thing would be to find an OC outing and attend it, and to just observe and do only mild chit chat. To REALLY understand the movement you have to "walk a mile in their shoes", so you get a gun, some training, a holster,and you open carry in a state that allows it. Attend a couple different open carry events, and get to know some of the folks on a more personal level.
Another example is if I wanted to actually write a nonfiction book on open carry. To do it properly, I would feel compelled to actually visit as many OC legal states that I can, and to join OC leaders and everyday OCers for actual OCing, while conducting interveiws and getting the scoop on that state's laws and specifics. I would also be gathering stories from legal hurdle stories ( unlawful arrests,etc) to stories of humorous interactions with the public, and anything in between that is of interest. Basically in my veiw, if you can't do it right, don't do it at all.
AWDstylez wrote:
I wasn't always a "gun person" and when I first started going to gun forums I just read the posts and got a feel for the place and didn't make any stupid inflamitory posts. Then I realized most "gun people" were like me- rational, educated, eccentric, suspicious ( and I mean this in a good way- cattle dogs are described as "suspicious", but that doesn't mean the breed is bad, rather they are on the alert and scutinizing , ie sheepdog).
If one is working on a doctorate or degree and studying " gun people", it takes more than a few days. It takes months and should include actual encounters, so if you are studying OCers, the logical thing would be to find an OC outing and attend it, and to just observe and do only mild chit chat. To REALLY understand the movement you have to "walk a mile in their shoes", so you get a gun, some training, a holster,and you open carry in a state that allows it. Attend a couple different open carry events, and get to know some of the folks on a more personal level.
Another example is if I wanted to actually write a nonfiction book on open carry. To do it properly, I would feel compelled to actually visit as many OC legal states that I can, and to join OC leaders and everyday OCers for actual OCing, while conducting interveiws and getting the scoop on that state's laws and specifics. I would also be gathering stories from legal hurdle stories ( unlawful arrests,etc) to stories of humorous interactions with the public, and anything in between that is of interest. Basically in my veiw, if you can't do it right, don't do it at all.
XD40coyote
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AWDstylez wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
For some reason, the only "stupid" I see at OCDO are posts by you, Hank, and a few others who like to troll around. Then those posts get everyone else all fired up.
AWDstylez
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XD40coyote wrote:
I'm sorry that's how you see it. I wish I could say that's how it actually happens, but, unfortuntely, that's not reality.
http://www.zyprexa.com/
XD40coyote wrote:
I'm sorry that's how you see it. I wish I could say that's how it actually happens, but, unfortuntely, that's not reality.
http://www.zyprexa.com/
Alexcabbie
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Kenosis wrote:
Kenosis wrote:
Well, Ken; a few weeks ago Styles wrote that he was posting for the benefit of the 9 out of 10 people who only read and don't post (his estimate) so as to present the "sensible" point of view. So thanx for coming by and telling him just about how much "sense" he is making to you who only read and seldom post.
Alexcabbie
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Oh and as regards the subject of this thread, what this guy needs to do if he is serious is visit a gun store with a range, announce who he is and what he is doing, etc. I bet he could even get some free range time and free ammo and a free gun rental (with an instructor or range officer monitoring) if he played his cards right and came of as a very borderline anti. AND he'd get lots of real honest feedback and even talk to a few LEOs. Gilbert here in Lorton usully has three or four in to practice.
However if his Master's Thesis is on "Gun owners who get insulted get really testy" then I certainly hope he takes time to note that nobody here threatened to or even expressed a desire to harm him in any way.
Now I don't think I have ever responded to this "student" but for the record I rather resent being thought of as a paramecium to be studied under some kid's microsscope. This is about as unethical a way of doing "research" as I can think of, plus pretty slipshod, too. If it were me, I would at least bone up on firearms so I knew terms like "cylinder gap" "striker" and could tell the diff between a magazine and a clip. Just sayin'......
Oh and as regards the subject of this thread, what this guy needs to do if he is serious is visit a gun store with a range, announce who he is and what he is doing, etc. I bet he could even get some free range time and free ammo and a free gun rental (with an instructor or range officer monitoring) if he played his cards right and came of as a very borderline anti. AND he'd get lots of real honest feedback and even talk to a few LEOs. Gilbert here in Lorton usully has three or four in to practice.
However if his Master's Thesis is on "Gun owners who get insulted get really testy" then I certainly hope he takes time to note that nobody here threatened to or even expressed a desire to harm him in any way.
Now I don't think I have ever responded to this "student" but for the record I rather resent being thought of as a paramecium to be studied under some kid's microsscope. This is about as unethical a way of doing "research" as I can think of, plus pretty slipshod, too. If it were me, I would at least bone up on firearms so I knew terms like "cylinder gap" "striker" and could tell the diff between a magazine and a clip. Just sayin'......
buster81
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Alexcabbie wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
Slipshod is the word for it. Just imagine groups of thesejerk offs sittingin egghead think tanks deciding what the lesser plebs should and should not be allowed to do. The standards of having a degree should be much higher.
Theseus
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Did the other thread get deleted?
Did the other thread get deleted?
Task Force 16
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AWDstylez wrote:
Translation: "Agree with every word I type and I will respect you. Dare to challenge or dissagree with what I post, and I will pelt you mercilessly with insults and foul names."
Ignore the egotistical psychopath.
AWDstylez wrote:
Translation: "Agree with every word I type and I will respect you. Dare to challenge or dissagree with what I post, and I will pelt you mercilessly with insults and foul names."
Ignore the egotistical psychopath.
IndianaBoy79
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Theseus wrote:
To those in charge: I hope I handled this properly. Maybe I should have sent something to you first before I posted this correspondence. I have a general rule not to share information people share with me in a private message, but his deceitfulness, in my opinion, justified not honoring his request to keep that private.
Then again, maybe I just played into what he wanted me to do? Who knows. Feel free (it's your site) to check my private messages for the entire communication.
I sincerely tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and gave him every opportunity to out himself until he proved beyond the shadow of a doubt what his true intentions were. It's my opinion that I stretched the limits of my patience further than anyone else would have dared.
Theseus wrote:
I think it did.
To those in charge: I hope I handled this properly. Maybe I should have sent something to you first before I posted this correspondence. I have a general rule not to share information people share with me in a private message, but his deceitfulness, in my opinion, justified not honoring his request to keep that private.
Then again, maybe I just played into what he wanted me to do? Who knows. Feel free (it's your site) to check my private messages for the entire communication.
I sincerely tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and gave him every opportunity to out himself until he proved beyond the shadow of a doubt what his true intentions were. It's my opinion that I stretched the limits of my patience further than anyone else would have dared.
david.ross
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AWDstylez wrote
All of you. This conversation is absolutely filled with drama. I swear everyone here must be a furry.
AWDstylez wrote
STOP BEING A DRAMA LLAMA!
All of you. This conversation is absolutely filled with drama. I swear everyone here must be a furry.
XD40coyote
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Well when I was 5 years old I was mad because I couldn't dress in the tiger costume every day at my kindergarten. In factI think I only got to wear it once.
I think I was born a furry LOL.
Well when I was 5 years old I was mad because I couldn't dress in the tiger costume every day at my kindergarten. In factI think I only got to wear it once.
I think I was born a furry LOL.
thx997303
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Look kangaroo, we all know that you are the furry.
You said so yourself in another thread.
I have a friend who is an admitted furry. Crazy people.
Look kangaroo, we all know that you are the furry.
You said so yourself in another thread.
I have a friend who is an admitted furry. Crazy people.