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HB2386 New P4P: Concealed Weapons Permit

peter nap

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http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?111+ful+HB2386

In a nutshell converts CHPs to CWPs, not perfect but I think puts us closer to decriminalization of weapons carry.
"A permit issued pursuant to this section shall entitle the permittee to carry concealed any weapon that he may lawfully possess. "

I'm not so sure it qualifies as P4P Longwatch. It doesn't give any special privileges over OC.

I can carry anything I want Openly. This is like the Restaurant bill. It equalizes what OC Vs. CC can do.

I had a CWP and carried a 9" 20 ga from time to time.
 
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For this to have any affect at all you'd have to nullify the weapons laws of all localities, their agencies, all agencies of the state and subdivisions including colleges and universities, such that weapons laws are uniform across the state. Without this, the statement that says that the permit does not provide permission to carry in places that are unlawful to carry would have to be determined for every city, county and burg throughout the state to determine if one could keep some knives in their pocket. Handguns of course are already excepted from restriction by localities and their agencies.
 

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For this to have any affect at all you'd have to nullify the weapons laws of all localities, their agencies, all agencies of the state and subdivisions including colleges and universities, such that weapons laws are uniform across the state. Without this, the statement that says that the permit does not provide permission to carry in places that are unlawful to carry would have to be determined for every city, county and burg throughout the state to determine if one could keep some knives in their pocket. Handguns of course are already excepted from restriction by localities and their agencies.
So they would have to add 15.2-915 to the list of sections of code that need to be updated from "handgun" or "firearm" to "weapon". That would be a good change for whatever Committee it ends up going to.

TFred

P.S. I don't know if they could get passed such a large expansion of "preemption", but the fact that they didn't think of the local repercussions for concealed "weapons" tells us that the idea of preemption of firearms is very well entrenched in the minds of the lawmakers. That is a good thing.
 
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So if this passes, we will have concealed WEAPONS PERMIT, which handguns still apply. But you could carry a 12 inch knife, a baton? short barrel rifles/shotguns if you have you're class 3 paper work. And anything else?

Thats one step closer!


I wonder if baton's would be added? as far as I know now I think OPEN CARRY of a baton is NOT LEGAL. Because it's like a switch blade knife? I do not know, do not qoute me..
 
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So if this passes, we will have concealed WEAPONS PERMIT, which handguns still apply. But you could carry a 12 inch knife, a baton? short barrel rifles/shotguns if you have you're class 3 paper work. And anything else?

Thats one step closer!


I wonder if baton's would be added? as far as I know now I think OPEN CARRY of a baton is NOT LEGAL. Because it's like a switch blade knife? I do not know, do not qoute me..

A baton is nothing like a switchblade knife (Which can be carried openly if you engrave "Not for sale" on it). What you're thinking of is an ASP which is also legal, or a Spring stick which is not legal to conceal but can be carried OC.

There is no prohibition to carrying a baton OC or CC...you can carry a 12" knife CC as long as it is not one of the prohibited classes (Dirk, Dagger, Switchblade knife, Bowie Knife, Etc)
There is no blade length restriction.
 

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Know the best part? Fairfax County won't even have to print up new signs to post at the courthouse! ;)
 
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I'm not so sure it qualifies as P4P Longwatch. It doesn't give any special privileges over OC.

I can carry anything I want Openly. This is like the Restaurant bill. It equalizes what OC Vs. CC can do.

I had a CWP and carried a 9" 20 ga from time to time.

Careful Peter, talking about shotties! Oh wait, this is not long gun open carry, it is short gun concealed carry!
 

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Careful Peter, talking about shotties! Oh wait, this is not long gun open carry, it is short gun concealed carry!

I was talking about a concealed shorty and it was when I had a CWP...but even now I almost always have a long gun, either rifle or shotgun in the truck or car.

I rarely go anywhere that has a "No Loaded Rifle or Shotgun in the vehicle ordnance" except Richmond and the fine is less than a parking ticket, so I ignore it there.

The shorty is legal (I don't have the 20 anymore, I have a 12 now) and I still carry it openly once in a while.
 

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I wonder if the change will be a revenue generator too? They could state that the CHP is no longer valid so one must renew within a year for a nominal fee to update the piece of paper.
 

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Richmond has a no loaded long guns in vehicles ordnance.

REALLY !! "ordnance"


–noun
1. cannon or artillery.
2. military weapons with their equipment, ammunition, etc.
3. the branch of an army that procures, stores, and issues, weapons, munitions, and combat vehicles and maintains arsenals for their development and testing.
 
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REALLY !! "ordnance"


–noun
1. cannon or artillery.
2. military weapons with their equipment, ammunition, etc.
3. the branch of an army that procures, stores, and issues, weapons, munitions, and combat vehicles and maintains arsenals for their development and testing.

Geeze, I thought Master Doug was dead! He's just jumping from body to body:lol:
 
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I had no idea.

Why is it not pre-empted?

It's in compliance with the statute so preemption doesn't apply. I don't remember the specific statute, but I think it is one of the hunting prohibitions.
Like there's a lot to hunt in Richmond.

The worst part is that they've added their own definition of "Loaded" to include any ammunition attached to the gun in any manner. That includes side saddles and stock bands.
 

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I had no idea.

Why is it not pre-empted?

Preemption says that localities can't enact regulations other than those specifically authorized by statute. This one is specifically authorized by § 15.2-915.2. Regulation of transportation of a loaded rifle or shotgun.

"The governing body of any county or city may by ordinance make it unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway within such locality. [...]"
 
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