Girl beaten in subway while THREE security guards stand idly by

[gunbug]

When this happened, they discussed it on the morning radio talk show and it was stated that one of the guards was a ex-military (marine, iirc) involved had previously been disciplined in his security for intervening. (sorry I can't link a source.)

I worked security many, many years ago and the training was clear and explicit--observe and report. It's one thing if I see a truck with three guys ripping of the warehouse (that's a phone call), different entirely seeming someone get a beatdown (that's my intervention even at personal risk and loss of employment).

 

[KRM59]

+2

+ 1, I could not stand by and let this happen.


Steve

i know for a fact i would have stepped in.... i might have been shot, beaten or killed but i can't stand by and watch. right or wrong it is just me. take her by the hand and walk away. fight if you have to.
and i understand some of you will disagree, fine thats you and i support your feelings, and would not look down on you for it.
but i have been in a situation like that and no one was there to help me, just watched.
so if you have not been there you can not understand the feelings of hopelessness.

 

[WisconsinPI]

What???

Whats the point of the guards? if they can't legally respond to something as severe as that, then why are they there??? if I were there, and maybe i'm completely wrong but i would've definatly restrained that girl for sure, if that were an adult male, he would've been tazed or at gunpoint but since it's some girl everyone just watches? what is going on with people these days?

 

[Bowers]

Pondering that situation... some words to live by.

"F*** all that bullsh**...If you are armed you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to go kill that motherf*****. Forget legal. Forget liability. Forget LEO/NON-LEO crap. Forget getting killed. Crack open a can of man and get in there and do God's work"- James Yeager

"Crack open a can of man" HA! That made my week!

And regardless of what the victim did, robbery, whathaveyou, she doesn't deserve to be beaten in the street. Or subway. Everyone is getting on the guards for doing nothing, and while I agree, I won't waste time saying the same thing. I will say that the other people watching and doing nothing is shamefull

 

[Resto Guy]

I would like to see if the guards would respond to a fellow guard being beaten. Would they stand and watch until the beating was finished? Or, would they go against policy and intervene.

"Hey man, I wanted to help, but you know the policy. It really bothered me when your teeth got kicked out. And when your skull hit he concrete, it was really LOUD! But like I said, all I could do was observe. It will be in my report."

 

[waapl01]

second amendment rights

Police are not responsible for personal security and security guards are not either. Everyone is responsible for themselves which is what the Second Amendment recognizes.

Then why can't u carry oc or cc in so many states.

 

[XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX]

I work security. I am under strict orders, observe and report. I am not licensed to work armed security, and we are not allowed to carry guns. I carry a Sig Sauer P238 either in my pocket or a shoulder holster.

even under strict orders i would not follow them under these circumstances nor should you. have some morals why dont you....

 

[XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX]

Police are not responsible for personal security and security guards are not either. Everyone is responsible for themselves which is what the Second Amendment recognizes.

and i bet your not allowed to go armed in that subway....
just because your not "responsible" doesn't mean that you should be heartless...we as people have lots of rights that get stomped on by the very police you speak of....responsible or not have some personal morals or to me your just as bad as the criminals. It's just not human to stand by and watch a "child" get beatin.

"wish I had been there" or anyone with a freakin heart or compassion for human life....

 

[Paul Volk]

The guards are apparently under contract to "Observe, report, and not interfere."

So much for 'security'.

They really need to do away with this restriction. A video camera can observe and report. It's a waste of a man to not allow him to become a defender in a situation where he is capable.

 

[COMMANDER1911]

I believe the states should pass a Good Samaritan law stating that a bystander who witnesses an offense such as this, and has the ability to intervene, should do so, or face the same charges as the perp

 

[eye95]

That would be a dangerous law and a restriction on Liberty.

Not everything that we should do should be a law.

 

[Grapeshot]

Then why can't u carry oc or cc in so many states.

Do what?

You can OC in a vast majority of the states.
http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html

Same for CC by overwhelming numbers.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

[Daylen]

I believe the states should pass a Good Samaritan law stating that a bystander who witnesses an offense such as this, and has the ability to intervene, should do so, or face the same charges as the perp

That would be regulating morality. That is completely illegal for the feds and probably most state and local governments to do.

 

[XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX]

That would be a dangerous law and a restriction on Liberty.

Not everything that we should do should be a law.

agreed

My uncle got beat with baseball bats and boat oars by 3 men while about 15 bystanders whatched it go down (he was mistaken for someone else). He was beaten so badly they had to use a wire mesh to reconstruct his split skull. He lost his ability to read among many others. This happend more then 20 yrs ago and he still does not function right, constant granny seizures so on. This is not the fault of the bystanders but im sure if just a couple of them tried to help this could have been prevented. What kind of a society do we live in when this stuff happens right infront of others. I read a story where 3 boys gang raped a girl outside of a school while a group of more then 25 watched.
wtf is wrong with people ? if you can watch something like this there is something VERY wrong with you.

 

[buster81]

I believe the states should pass a Good Samaritan law stating that a bystander who witnesses an offense such as this, and has the ability to intervene, should do so, or face the same charges as the perp

No thanks. States should NOT do this and those that have attempted to implement some sort of "duty to protect" law should undo it. The states should however, protect individuals from civil liability in the event they defend themselves or others.

 

[COMMANDER1911]

I should have clarified. I didn't mean my previous post literally, I'm just sick of the "it aint got nothin to do with me attitude".

 

[Grapeshot]

I might not have a problem with adding a "good Samaritan" to civil liability protection laws - if use of force were warranted, justified, no charges brought or found innocent - that a 3rd party could not be sued, subject to certain restrictions/limitations.

This gets very sticky and I'd have to think much harder and longer before fully endorsing same.

 

[wheelsxd]

Forget about being a security guard and following policy. How about being a concerned human being and helping the poor girl out. Ridiculous. Makes my blood boil when I see crap like this and someone doesnt have the common sense that God gave them to do the right thing.

 

[Aaron1124]

This is B.S.. Olympic Security, among most other security agencies, allow their officers to physically intervene and use necessary force to STOP or PREVENT physical violence to others in your presence.

 

[coolfrmn]

The security guards had no legal requirement to intervene.

They had a moral obligation to do so. Shame on them.

+1
To include - "Security" agencies that have the Observe & Report only policy, should put "Observers" on their uniforms. NOT SECURITY! Cut payroll, have one person monitor cameras and call the police. WTF OVER.