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For those who do faze boog. Montana Open Carry

MSG Laigaie

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I helped run a fazboog page when I lived in Washington State. Now that I am in Montana, I have started a new one called... Montana Open Carry. There is also a Open Carry Montana page but it seems to be dead. Listed on MOC will be information pertaining to Open Carry and anything else that seems pertinent. We expect to continue with the Annual Open Carry picnics. Stop by and share with your friends.
 

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Then I hope you don't promote the idea that a business open to the public can arbitrarily ask a CUSTOMER to leave just because they are open carrying.

Section 45-6-201 in part: "(1) A person enters or remains unlawfully in or upon any vehicle, occupied structure, or premises when the person is not licensed, invited, or otherwise privileged to do so.  Privilege to enter or remain upon land is extended either by the explicit permission of the landowner or other authorized person or by the failure of the landowner or other authorized person to post notice denying entry onto private land.  The privilege may be revoked at any time by personal communication of notice by the landowner or other authorized person to the entering person."

"Explicit" means: "stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt."

When a business is open to the public and advertises such you have been invited or given explicit permission to be there. The only why (by statute) a business can deny you entry is when you are personally told not to enter when entering the store. Local law not withstanding.
 

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Is there some reason why OCDO is inadequate for your desire to share information and conversation, MSG?
I am attempting to expand the field to better spread the Open Carry story. I have never considered OCDO as inadequate. Faze boog will garner an alternate method to reach people. Not a replacement, in addition to OCDO..


Then I hope you don't promote the idea that a business open to the public can arbitrarily ask a CUSTOMER to leave just because they are open carrying.
I don't quite know where you are going with this. I do not support any "bans" on firearms, nor do I support a business that restricts legal carry. What is your point?
 

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I believe my opening sentence is clear: "Then I hope you don't promote the idea that a business open to the public can arbitrarily ask a CUSTOMER to leave just because they are open carrying."

Help me out, what part of that statement do you not understand?
 

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I believe my opening sentence is clear: "Then I hope you don't promote the idea that a business open to the public can arbitrarily ask a CUSTOMER to leave just because they are open carrying."
Help me out, what part of that statement do you not understand?
I have not and do not support any prohibitions against legal open carry. On the other hand I do support "private property" and the owners right to set the rules. I am also a big proponent of "no guns....no money. I get to determine who I support.
What was your point?
 

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I have not and do not support any prohibitions against legal open carry. On the other hand I do support "private property" and the owners right to set the rules. I am also a big proponent of "no guns....no money. I get to determine who I support.
What was your point?
So, what you are saying is you believe a business can deny service to catholics, or indians, or for any prejudice the business owner holds even though that prejudice he holds is against something that is legal.
 

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again..... what is your point?
My point is, in that you did not dispute my characterization of your belief, you don't understand that businesses open to the public do not have unfettered private property rights, in effect, having the ability to eject any invitee for no reason what soever. A business open to the public is not the same as your private home.
 

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My headache must be distracting me. What does your comment have to do with announcing a fb information page?
"A business open to the public is not the same as your private home."
Relevance?
 

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My headache must be distracting me. What does your comment have to do with announcing a fb information page?
"A business open to the public is not the same as your private home."
Relevance?
I presume your FB page is going to provide information as to what people think the law requires. One of those myths is that a business open to the public can ask anybody to leave their business for no reason at all and if they don’t trespass would apply.

You indicated that you believe that a business open to the public has unfettered power to eject any invitee for no reason what so ever. And you would promote that myth. But that is not the law. In other words, promoting that myth will be a disservice to your readers.

Now, once pointing out the law as to trespass (as I posted above), suggesting that people asked to leave by a business owner would be prudent because the business doesn’t deserve their money would be reasonable.

Now do you understand my point?
 

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"I presume......................". So you are "presuming I would do that? Rather cheeky of you my friend.

If the sign (owners wishes) say "no shoes no shirt no service" I believe I would comply with that owners wishes. If the sign said "No firearms permitted" I would again, respect that owners wishes and take my money elsewhere. When "Law" comes into the conversation, a reference would be either provided or asked for. I do believe that a business has the right to serve whomever they choose and restrict anyone they see fit.

"Trespass" is law and a reference would be provided/required. Why are you being confrontational about this?
 

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"I presume......................". So you are "presuming I would do that? Rather cheeky of you my friend.

If the sign (owners wishes) say "no shoes no shirt no service" I believe I would comply with that owners wishes. If the sign said "No firearms permitted" I would again, respect that owners wishes and take my money elsewhere. When "Law" comes into the conversation, a reference would be either provided or asked for. I do believe that a business has the right to serve whomever they choose and restrict anyone they see fit.

"Trespass" is law and a reference would be provided/required. Why are you being confrontational about this?
"Cheeky," Seriously? It took 4 posts for you to understand a simple subject. Your above answer proves you have no concept of law. If you are going to run a FB page dealing with gun rights in your state I would think you would have a good understanding of the law. Your answer clearly shows you don't have any understanding of law. I don't think you would like being accused of aiding and abetting because of bad information.

You say you would comply with a "no shoes no shirt no service" sign. I would think you would. After all, I would think you would comply because going into a business open to the public without shoes and/or shirt is a health department violation, it's a crime. It is not at an "owners wishes," it's a violation of law.

As to your personal preference in honoring a "no guns" sign is just that, a personal preference depending on location.

You make the statement: "I do believe that a business has the right to serve whomever they choose and restrict anyone they see fit." So, I do understand your position, you believe in discrimination. I don't think running a FB page based on prejudices is wise.

Am I misunderstanding your position? Or, are you not very good at clearly communicating your thoughts?

I'm just say'n.
 

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I suggest you avoid my "prejudiced page" if it is upsetting you. I made an announcement for an alternate page just because of people like you. You seem to have something very negative going on with this and you can keep it.

OCDO was a great site to share info, but I come here less and less because of commenters like yourself.
 

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I suggest you avoid my "prejudiced page" if it is upsetting you. I made an announcement for an alternate page just because of people like you. You seem to have something very negative going on with this and you can keep it.

OCDO was a great site to share info, but I come here less and less because of commenters like yourself.
You are a funny guy. You don't upset me at all. I was trying to keep you from looking like a benighted host on your newly created FB page. My little experience with FB is most participants are unlettered cretins. I wish you well. Enjoy your new friends.
 
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