Empty Holster

[Brass Magnet]

Isn't this a direct violation of Forum Rule # 15? We are not to advocate breaking the law, we are to follow the law and do our best to work with our legislators to change the laws we do not agree with.

Yes it is, and it's like the 3rd time I've seen it in the last few days. Come on guys. I don't give a crap what you do on your own time as that's your own business but don't post about breaking a law (no matter how distasteful) on the forum. That rule was made for good reason.

 

[Peacekeeper]

Yes it is, and it's like the 3rd time I've seen it in the last few days. Come on guys. I don't give a crap what you do on your own time as that's your own business but don't post about breaking a law (no matter how distasteful) on the forum. That rule was made for good reason.

Remember ... Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law!

I don't wear an empty holster now. Maybe I should. And if someone asks ... hand them a few WCI handouts!

 

[Unreconstructed Confederate Polymath]

correct

site records internet protocol addys

circumvents anonymous lusernames

learn from wikileaks dont b stoopid

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

Carrus, Tweety and Brass Magnet,

Mr. John Pierce has already publicly stated that wehn I post the I break a firearm law is NOT a rule violation. It is when I advotcate doing so, like encouraging others to do so it is when it becomes a rule violattion.

I do not obey all of Wisconsin firearm laws and I do so at my own risk. Actually, alot of us do so, but that is our choice and we do not advocate on this forum that others do so aswell.

EDIT: If you feel that I have violated forum rules, please report it.

 

[na559]

Meanwhile, back to your question, if I am prohibited, I keep my holster on.
If you think about it, ALOT of people don't even know what it is. Just nothing more than something to carry a phone, tape measure, Acc., what ever!

 

[Brass Magnet]

Carrus, Tweety and Brass Magnet,

Mr. John Pierce has already publicly stated that wehn I post the I break a firearm law is NOT a rule violation. It is when I advotcate doing so, like encouraging others to do so it is when it becomes a rule violattion.

I do not obey all of Wisconsin firearm laws and I do so at my own risk. Actually, alot of us do so, but that is our choice and we do not advocate on this forum that others do so aswell.

EDIT: If you feel that I have violated forum rules, please report it.

If that's how he feels then fine. IMO it's pretty borderline but I haven't reported a post on this forum yet and I'm not going to start now.

Even if it's not advocating that others break the law, it still doesn't look good from the outside in and probably reflects poorly on us to the uninitiated.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

Forum Rule (15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.

So, If I state that I OC in my vehicle 98-99% of the time, I would be in violation of OCDO Forum Rules? What is the consequence?

Are you advocating that others do so as well? If so, you would be in violation of the rules. The consequence would be me deleting the post.

The reasoning behind the rule is that new, young OCers come here to learn what is legal and if someone is advocating activities that are NOT legal then they could get someone who doesn't understand the risks into trouble.

Since we want to actively keep people OUT of trouble, we have Rule 15.


John

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?78883-Forum-Rule-15&p=1323308#post1323308

 

[1FASTC4]

correct

site records internet protocol addys

circumvents anonymous lusernames

learn from wikileaks dont b stoopid

Ya, I bet local Wisconsin LE spends tons of resources surfing the internet in an effort to root out non-violent offenders. /sarcasm
Besides, although I don't particularly want to be the tip of the spear, the WI school zone law needs to be challenged. If I were to be the one, I'm confident I'd prevail in court based on constitutional grounds.

Back seat moderators should familiarize themselves with the rules before spouting off. I've never seen such a group of nitpickers more concerned with rules than content.

as I already said, to each his own. I didn't suggest how others should behave, nor comment on their choices. some of you should try the same.

 

[protias]

I never carry an empty holster. I do not recognize a law that says I must disarm.*

* To each his own, I'm not passing judgement on other's choices.

Unfortunately we do not have that luxury here.

...the WI school zone law needs to be challenged. If I were to be the one, I'm confident I'd prevail in court based on constitutional grounds.

Look at WCI's web site. They filed earlier this year. I'd post the link, but I'm blocked at work.

 

[1FASTC4]

Unfortunately we do not have that luxury here.



Look at WCI's web site. They filed earlier this year. I'd post the link, but I'm blocked at work.

Bully(as in WTG)!

I'll put my money where my mouth is shortly. I'm busy with my business and family relocation. Some research led me to believe that, at least at the High School level, The Eagle River School district is better than Minocqua so we found a place in Eagle River. We'll be there before Christmas.

This quote: "I do not recognize a law that says I must disarm." was a bit of a generalization. Obviously, I'm not going to try to walk into a courthouse while armed. I was referring more to the constitutionally abhorrent laws of yours regarding school zones and transport

 

[XDFDE45]

Here is the link to WI Carry and the pdf files for the challenge to the GFSZ.

http://www.wisconsincarry.org/default.html#

EIDT: This link will take you to the home page. Go to "Legal" at the top right and the GFSZA Lawsuit will be the first one you see.

 

[protias]

Bully(as in WTG)!

I'll put my money where my mouth is shortly. I'm busy with my business and family relocation. Some research led me to believe that, at least at the High School level, The Eagle River School district is better than Minocqua so we found a place in Eagle River. We'll be there before Christmas.

This quote: "I do not recognize a law that says I must disarm." was a bit of a generalization. Obviously, I'm not going to try to walk into a courthouse while armed. I was referring more to the constitutionally abhorrent laws of yours regarding school zones and transport

We have many firearm laws that need to be rescinded here. Hopefully by the end of next year, we'll have Constitutional Carry (and hopefully sooner than that, like the first 100 days).

Edit: I tried finding the OCDO thread, but I'm a little lazy at the moment.

 

[Brass Magnet]

Ya, I bet local Wisconsin LE spends tons of resources surfing the internet in an effort to root out non-violent offenders. /sarcasm

The LEO community can and do monitor this forum. It has been proven with several examples.

Back seat moderators should familiarize themselves with the rules before spouting off. I've never seen such a group of nitpickers more concerned with rules than content.

In defense of so called "back seat moderators" (since I'm guessing I was included in this remark) this forum had no moderators for a long time so we are used to trying to do so from within the ranks; so to speak. It's a little different now. You should know that by your join date.

Also, Brokensproket graciously pointed out where John clarified the rule and I stand corrected. He did so without snarky remarks.

as I already said, to each his own. I didn't suggest how others should behave, nor comment on their choices. some of you should try the same.

You didn't suggest that we not "backseat moderate"?

We are free to comment on others choices and should be.

 

[1FASTC4]

Brass, my comments were more directed at Huffman and Gleason.


"You didn't suggest that we not "backseat moderate?"

I was commenting on weapon carrying choices... come on.

 

[Brass Magnet]

Brass, my comments were more directed at Huffman and Gleason.


"You didn't suggest that we not "backseat moderate?"

I was commenting on weapon carrying choices... come on.

Don't worry, I'm done.

 

[1FASTC4]

Don't worry, I'm done.

By the way, I alwys loved that word "Snarky"

 

[Brass Magnet]

Me too...

By the way, I alwys loved that word "Snarky"

It reminds me of Snarf.

Snarf.....snarf....

Thundercats ho!!!

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

Remember ... Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law!

Yes, that is very true. If one is ever arrested, you can guarantee what one post's will be used against them in a courrt of law, IF it goes to trial.

With that being said, one cannot be arrested soley for WHAT they post on the internet(with a few serious exemptions). It can and will be used as supporting evidence, but not stand alone evidence.

 

[1FASTC4]

Yes, that is very true. If one is ever arrested, you can guarantee what one post's will be used against them in a courrt of law, IF it goes to trial.

With that being said, one cannot be arrested soley for WHAT they post on the internet(with a few serious exemptions). It can and will be used as supporting evidence, but not stand alone evidence.

They can't prove you typed anything on the internet. They can try to prove posts came from your house.. or place of business. They could bring this up in your trial that it came from a source you have may access to but they cannot place you at the KB. Logins can be spoofed, IP's duped. We're not talking about a murder try or something like it where resources could be spent to determine your whereabouts at the time of said posts... we're talking about a minor crime.

In other words, at most, such posts could be circumstantial exhibits of little import... easily marginalized.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Nice job hijacking my thread and turning it into something that is no longer helpful.